We're pleased to announce several new hardware and software upgrades for the North American Arteon 2.0T!
APR's ECU Upgrade dramatically increases power and is available in multiple stages and octanes. The Arteon is rated at 268 HP and 258 FT-LBS of torque from Volkswagen. With the APR Plus ECU Upgrade, which includes a factory term limit matching powertrain warranty, expect up to 359 HP and 349 FT-LBS of torque!
Next up is APR's Stage 1 ECU Upgrade. It requires no hardware, yet delivers 359-382 HP with 349-392 FT-LBS of torque! Gains as high as 85-113 HP and 95-136 FT-LBS of torque were measured over stock. For more power, you can add any of the APR hardware items below.
Finally APR's Stage 2 ECU Upgrade maximizes output of the factory turbo. It's designed for use with the APR Race DP, and optimized when using the upcoming APR Intake and Intercooler, and produces 369-381 HP with 367-409 FT-LBS of torque. Gains as high as 109-127 HP and 129-152 FT-LBS of torque were measured over stock. This setup works great with APR's lineup of performance hardware listed below.
I'd expect the same final numbers. Always some slight dyno to dyno variation. I will say to the wheels you may struggle a little in very hot weather on a dyno just because of the taller gearing and such, but in real life, the output is the same.
Now, that said, the gains over stock are much larger because the Arteon has less power from the factory. The Golf R is rated higher.
I'm sure I can ask at a local APR installer, but how does your powertrain warranty work? ie: if there's a problem, do you still bring it to a VW dealership, and if it's powertrain-related, they just work with APR for reimburse - or do you have to bring it to an APR shop? For example, my local dealership is Gunther Coconut Creek - I think at one point they used to even install APR years ago. And do all the other bumper-to-bumper components of the factory warranty remain for non-powertrain related parts?
I'm sure I can ask at a local APR installer, but how does your powertrain warranty work? ie: if there's a problem, do you still bring it to a VW dealership, and if it's powertrain-related, they just work with APR for reimburse - or do you have to bring it to an APR shop? For example, my local dealership is Gunther Coconut Creek - I think at one point they used to even install APR years ago. And do all the other bumper-to-bumper components of the factory warranty remain for non-powertrain related parts?
Tuning only affects the powertrain warranty, so we provide our own. If you have a powertrain issue, say a failed transmission or turbo, bring it to an APR dealer and they'll do the work free of charge.
Geeze guys the exhaust values will melt!! Are they sodium filled? What about the additional thermal load on this engine?
Can you show us oil temperatures when the tuned engine is outputting so much power continuously?
Ditto coolant temperatures - what upgrades are need for oil and water cooling? 400hp/2 litre - 200HP/litre that really stretching a 4 cyl engine
Its certainly an impressive tuning achievement, but what about engine and transmission longevity and that 6 yr 72,000 mile warranty? What will be the new engine life?
You're good to go there. We've added extra thermal protection so if you decide to track the piss out of the car in a competitive way, if coolant becomes too hot, it derates to protect the engine.
Its certainly an impressive tuning achievement, but what about engine and transmission longevity and that 6 yr 72,000 mile warranty? What will be the new engine life?
Less, but how much less is anyone's guess, probably means you will not get 350,000 miles out of the engine if you drive hard all the time. As for the warranty, if you want a new one, we provide one with www.goaprplus.com and will cover the powertrain warranty for the factory term, whatever it is, (6 year 72,000).
I was assuming the output would be about the same as the R. What worries me, though, isn't the engine, but the Aisin tranny. If we had a DSG here in the states, I'd be all about it, but, the last time I had an torque converter with a tune, the tranny went to ****e. Shifts got extremely rough to the point I traded the car in for a 5 speed.
lets just hope its the 500nm version, even then I'd be curious at service interval once APR power mods are tossed at it.
Also no note of any TCU tune needed to accept the power so my guess is they applied everything they could from the R without really doing a grueling long term test.
APR usually only has a test car in shop for 2-3 weeks, I'm curious how many miles they put on it in order for them to slap an "apr Plus" warranty on it. My guess is less than 1,000 miles.
As far as I know, we have the AWF45, which is 480nm. That's approximately the same result as the ZF8HP50 found in the Giulia, M240i, X4 M40i, and other powerful vehicles. Pretty sure it will be all fine😊
Gear box: Typically the shifts are the killer on these slush boxes. The transmission makes quite sure that protected during a shift. It's is no DSG in that regard.
But, also like the DSG we offer varying torque levels. If high torque isn't your thing, just run the lower torque file. You'll end up with a little more peak HP (on the dyno at least).
I'm a noob to APR flashes. Does the flashed ECU take into account which type of gas you put into the tank? Meaning, could the user switch between 91 and 93 without having to choose a specific map? Let say the owner gets the Stage 2 low torque 93oct map, but decides to run 91oct in the tank for a long family trip. Or does that mean, once flashed, the user must run that specified gas type for that gas?
Arin, I'm sure it's better. However, given that even the Stage 1 is pushing the torque limit on the 500 Nm Aisin in the Arteon, it still gives me pause. Do you know which Aisin we have? I'm assuming it's the 09P that the all other current 8 Speed VW's are running, which, look to be good for around 330 lb ft.
Arin, I'm sure it's better. However, given that even the Stage 1 is pushing the torque limit on the 500 Nm Aisin in the Arteon, it still gives me pause.
We have lower torque levels available. If you're worried, I'd grab one of those, or get APR Plus and we'll warranty the transmission against failures for only $400 more than the price of the stage 1 tune.
Keep in mind the torque ratings are just a factory limit, meaning they use this transmission on all vehicles UP TO that factory torque level. They do the same with the engine. Tuning always goes beyond those 'limits.' But like I said, if this is a concern, grab APR plus and we'll warranty the engine and transmission against failures.
I don't have a specific log to show, however we approach thermal management differently. You'll likely see lower oil temps.
The laws of thermodynamics mean that the oil temperature will track the coolant temperature, so how will the engine see lower temperatures?
You're good to go there. We've added extra thermal protection so if you decide to track the piss out of the car in a competitive way, if coolant becomes too hot, it derates to protect the engine.
Protection seems mandatory, but with nearly 40% more output, where is the extra heat being dissipated? The frontal area of the Arteon is already dominated by the stock inter-cooler, and to match the extra power output a corresponding increase in the cooling area will be needed. What has been changed on the stock cooling system?
Less, but how much less is anyone's guess, probably means you will not get 350,000 miles out of the engine if you drive hard all the time.
If we are still talking about the DLRB engine, the jury is still out on longevity. If we assume an engine is operated for 30kmiles/year that's still 12 years before any engine reaches your claimed life and the engine has not been in production that long, so little experience.
As for the warranty, if you want a new one, we provide one with www.goaprplus.com and will cover the powertrain warranty for the factory term, whatever it is, (6 year 72,000)
On the warranty, does this cover the gearbox and Haldex transmission too? what about the clutches with the additional torque? has transmission cooling being addressed?
The other question I have is about your claimed power output from the dyno test - how can it be 276 HP for the stock car? when that's the engine output power? Is the dyno calibrated? and was power measured at all 4 wheels in a 90/10% F/R split? The will be 10% or so transmission loss through the gearbox and a few % through the Haldex transmission, so at best say 15% down from Engine power ~ 234HP, depending on how much power was transmitted to the rear wheels.
The factory tune runs extremely aggressive strategies (lambda 1 for example) which keeps oil tems extremely high. We change the strategy to promote cooling and performance.
Protection seems mandatory, but with nearly 40% more output, where is the extra heat being dissipated? The frontal area of the Arteon is already dominated by the stock inter-cooler, and to match the extra power output a corresponding increase in the cooling area will be needed. What has been changed on the stock cooling system?
Nothing. I don't recommend anything other than a larger intercooler if you want more power.
If we are still talking about the DLRB engine, the jury is still out on longevity. If we assume an engine is operated for 30kmiles/year that's still 12 years before any engine reaches your claimed life and the engine has not been in production that long, so little experience.
The new engine is basically the same as the old engine code, it just now fits different transmissions (8 Speed and 7 Speed for example). If concerned, we offer a factory term limit matching warranty for only $400.
On the warranty, does this cover the gearbox and Haldex transmission too? what about the clutches with the additional torque? has transmission cooling being addressed?
The other question I have is about your claimed power output from the dyno test - how can it be 276 HP for the stock car? when that's the engine output power? Is the dyno calibrated? and was power measured at all 4 wheels in a 90/10% F/R split? The will be 10% or so transmission loss through the gearbox and a few % through the Haldex transmission, so at best say 15% down from Engine power ~ 234HP, depending on how much power was transmitted to the rear wheels.
Numbers advertised above are crank. We used a linked AWD mustang dyno. Wheel from our dyno is on the website (use the drop down). Drivetrain loss is NOT a percentage. Here's what we saw to the wheels, stage 1, 93 octane, high torque:
well, i tuned my car last night!!!
went with the APR Plus program, basically stage I low torque file. so an increase of 85hp and 95tq - 360hp and 350tq
so my car will be covered under the power train warranty for the full 72k miles or 6 years.
first impression, pulls HARD! first and second gear are very strong, but as soon as it shifts into 3rd, it falls flat. but with how long 3rd gear actually is, im not surprised by this. dont get me wrong, 3rd gear still pulls extremely hard its just too long of a gear and can tell its geard more for high speed, highway driving.
but running my Torque Pro app i am not sure it was giving me exact readings or maybe the car didnt tune correctly. because my butt dyno was telling me it wasnt that much faster, but honestly with an increase of 85hp i really expected more of a pull to happen. but i am thinking that because we have really LOOOONG gears with this 8 speed, that it is making the car not feel as fast as it should.
hopefully @Arin can confirm what stock boost numbers are, but this morning it read max boost at 42psi. granted i have to take into account the pressure reading and subtract 14.7 (i cannot remember if that is the correct number or not) but still. curious to what stock boost numbers are and what boost numbers are with the APR tune. also, is there a way to confirm the tune "took" to the ecu? idk, guess im just paranoid that i didnt get the tune is all.
Have you tried shifting in manual mode? I been experimenting with mine and can get mine to shift a lot quicker the car feels totally different then in D or even S mode. I always downshift to M2 when pulling out since it likes to drag on 3rd gear.
just to update the thread and what i was reporting.
so i have had the tune for 5 days now and i actually REALLY enjoy the tune. i honestly believe the car just needed some time to get accustomed to the new parameters, also having my foot slammed on the throttle hahaha
the car, from a dig, is an absolute BEAST! pulls extremely hard and feels great. third gear has such a tall ratio that it really does feel like it looses power. but as soon as you get up to about 4500rpm everything matches up pretty well.
i am planning on going to the drag strip this coming weekend, temps should be in the low 70s so heat soak will be down to a minimum. i also just filled up a new tank of gas, so we will see how well it will do for mileage.
i do want to give a shout out to APR though, as i had concerns about the tune, they promptly asked for logs from my car.
performed 3 pulls, all in 3rd gear from a roll until shift into 4th. confirmed that the tune was and the car was performing perfectly, im also running a consistent 28.7psi of boost!!!
but they worked quickly to make sure my car was running with no issue. honestly, this is the main reason i go with APR, they work quickly with me and my local tuner to go over the data logs of my car, crunching the numbers to make sure everything is working well and i was/is happy. cannot ask for better customer service and i highly recommend APR as your tuning option.
stay tuned (see what i did there?) for this weekend as hopefully my track times will be impressive.
1. This is my first ever leased car in the and as such don't know much about the fees and penalties at the time of turning in a leased car. How bad a decision would it be to tune a leased car?
2. Would the dealership be able to tell the car has a tune when I take it in for service? If they could, would they care? Possibly voiding the warranty.
3. When i want to turn in the car at the end of the lease would i be able to put the factory tune back on the car?
1. as far as penalties, i believe this is really up to the dealership. i have tuned my leased MK7 GTI and the dealer had no problems with it. if they are tuner/mod friendly you should be good, if not, you may run into some problems.
2. yes, they will be able to tell if the car is tuned. from what i also understand is its not up to them to notate, but as soon as the computer detects the parameters have changed your car is flagged TD1 automatically and powertrain warranty is voided.
3. as stated by Arin, you can flash the car back to factory tune, but no real need to do so if you are turning it back in.
in the end, it is a risk that you as a consumer needs to take. i tuned my purchased Arteon, but i went with their APR plus, which will have a powertrain warranty for the 7 years/ 72k miles that came with the car.
but its up to you, but be warned that no one can promise or guarantee what a dealer will do if/when they find out the car has been tuned.
Got my car back from APR last week and what a difference the power band is fantastic and lots of torque very impressive but what is also great is the Big Brake Kit huge difference. So I have stage 2 medium torgue with DP, turbo inlet pipe, cold air intake, dogdone/subframe insert, Pendulum mount , Turbo muffler delete and Intercooler with Boost Hose system.
Got my car back from APR last week and what a difference the power band is fantastic and lots of torque very impressive but what is also great is the Big Brake Kit huge difference. So I have stage 2 medium torgue with DP, turbo inlet pipe, cold air intake, dogdone/subframe insert, Pendulum mount , Turbo muffler delete and Intercooler with Boost Hose system.
Awesome and thanks for volunteering your car! What made you pick the MT vs the HT or LT? I have Stage 1 HT just now and thinks it’s awesome. Also added a Sprint Booster and that does wonders for the throttle response.
An you tell us a bit more about the BBK and CAI? Interested in those for sure.
Question. How do the APR Authorized VW dealers work? If you get chipped there, do they automatically void your warranty? Fred Beans isn't far from me and they're listed on your site.
I bought my GTI from Fred Beans back in the day. Nice shop and area.
They should flash your car seperate from anything VW related (like scanning / flagging, and all that). That should only take place if you bring the car in for service or more specifically, warranty work.
im not sure if anyone can answer this question, or if @arin will need to...
but i am wondering about the on board performance monitor on our cars. specifically the boost readouts.
now, i know that it does not take into account the atmospheric pressure. however when we get tuned (specifically by APR) are they able to change that so it DOES take into account the atmospheric pressure?
i ask because my car is still only reading about 35psi at full throttle and subtracting the 14.7 will only net me about 15-18psi actual.
so if they do not adjust the display, does that mean the car is NOT able to read actual boost numbers live? and is just basing the number off of programming and engine load?
i hope i explained this correctly...
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