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      09-14-2019 11:57 AM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by smhA2 View Post
      Except that 6 year old tires from the date of manufacture are a safety issue, and IMHO 4 year old snow tires are worse in snow than all-seasons, based on 30+ years of running snow tires on multiple vehicles.
      Sorry but I have to disagree with you. Reading from the same article you quoted, "...many carmakers recommend replacement at six years from the date of manufacture. " So, up to 6 years is okay according to the article.

      And, 4 year old snow tires, IF the tread depth is good, are fine. (I drive in snow from November to April and always replace my tires at about 1/2 tread life.)

      And, I'm basing this on 50 years of running snow tires!

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      09-14-2019 08:59 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by Hoble View Post
      I havent used all weather tires in the winter. I dont mind the squishyness in the dry (no it's not overly confidence inspiring but I'm not pushing the car the same way as I would in the summer so I dont mind it) however I'm also looking for snow performance first and foremost. I drive to work regardless of the weather. I'm in a position where im the first there and last to leave.

      I have driven in 6 inches of fresh snow with new all season tires with the alltrack in late march with a late snowstorm that caught me by surprise after I swapped out the winters because it was getting warm for a long period. It drove fine, with the AWD it had no problems pulling away, barely spun if at all.... stopping was drastically effected however. I had to be super careful.

      At least with getting rear ended, it's not your fault and your insurance doesnt go up.

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      Your needs are not the same as the OP's needs.

      If you get rear ended in a no-fault state, you're still at fault. Fortunately, not too many states are no-fault

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    4. 09-15-2019 02:32 AM #28
      I went with Conti purecontact LS in 225/50. Fits the rim great. Conti specifies 6-8" width and this rim is 7". I know wider isn't considered better for winter but it's a great tire and will do much better than what comes oem in the cold and snow. Still a narrower contact patch than what comes on the SEL. Same revolutions per mile as the stock 205/55. These are all season as opposed to all whether but get better snow and ice reviews than many all weathers. Beats me why that would be but Chicago uses so much salt that we only need to be especially careful for short periods.

      Going 225/50 opens up a lot more tire options. The reason I dismissed the VREDESTEIN QUATRAC PRO is the wear rating and the fact that in Chicago, we rarely drive on snow. With the difference in wear rating, the Cont will probably be better in snow within 20K mi. by simply having more thread remaining and it's still a good cold compound. I'm sure the Vredesteins are better winter tires when fresh and if you don't mind replacing them more often, would be a great choice.
      Last edited by goodvibes; 09-15-2019 at 08:49 AM.

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      09-19-2019 06:57 PM #29
      Continental DWS are the best all-around tire I've ever used, and the snow we get in New England is way worse than Chi-town unless there is a blizzard, and nobody is driving in a blizzard anyway.

      If you don't have storage for extra wheels and tires for winter-only duty, these will be a great option for year round performance in poor conditions.

    6. 09-19-2019 09:31 PM #30
      Blizzaks ftw

    7. 09-20-2019 02:46 AM #31
      Crazy deal on these Pilot Alpins 225/50-17

      $1000/set tires for $345

      https://www.ebay.com/itm/4-Michelin-...5/352768113845



      I got 2 sets of Nexen Windguard Sport 2 for my Avant and wife's Golf S/W on 7.5 inch Audi wheels. 7 inch wheel max is 225, ftr. A steal for what they are...

      https://www.ebay.com/itm/4-235-45R17...s/303245374297



      http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Ne...rd-Sport-2.htm



      Hmm, Sottozero 3 handles well, even though it looks clunky https://www.ebay.com/itm/4-215-55R16...s/293202317605

      I think these 205/55-16 Kumho Wintercraft went up in price, I grabbed 2 for mother in law's Jetta S/W Supposed to be KILLER.

      https://www.ebay.com/itm/2-New-Kumho...6/383074801795

      215/55-16 is the best 16" size though.

      https://www.ebay.com/itm/4-New-SUMIT...s/173994566155

      Here's a search string:

      https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...CW&_dcat=66471

      Toyo Observe is H rated and cheap... https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...CW&_dcat=66471

      Blizzak WS 90 is a lil expensive https://www.ebay.com/itm/4-New-Bridg...s/352717581088

      X-ice https://www.ebay.com/itm/4-NEW-215-5...S/312706042965

      Nokian WRG4 is a hit https://www.ebay.com/itm/4-New-Nokia...6/263892344186

      Cooper, Pirelli... Toyo Celsius is closer to your ideal.... https://www.ebay.com/itm/Toyo-Celsiu...sAAOSwv~RdOc~f

      DWS in the right size could be good...

      https://www.ebay.com/itm/Continental.../303134446054?

      A quick survey of 16", I would get the Nokians for your situation, or the Kumho Wintercraft. Look for the Nexen in your size too.

      $252 total after rebate for these Uniroyals, they are owned by Michelin, kind of a bigger brand in Europe. Almost a no-brainer for what you can ship some used wheels or steelies direct to the installer.... 205/60-16 ....



      https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...TPIS3&i1_Qty=4

      This guy is good... https://www.youtube.com/user/TyreReviews

      Last edited by A.Junkie; 09-20-2019 at 03:06 AM.

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      09-20-2019 08:30 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by A.Junkie View Post
      Crazy deal on these Pilot Alpins 225/50-17

      $1000/set tires for $345

      https://www.ebay.com/itm/4-Michelin-...5/352768113845



      I got 2 sets of Nexen Windguard Sport 2 for my Avant and wife's Golf S/W on 7.5 inch Audi wheels. 7 inch wheel max is 225, ftr. A steal for what they are...

      https://www.ebay.com/itm/4-235-45R17...s/303245374297



      http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Ne...rd-Sport-2.htm



      Hmm, Sottozero 3 handles well, even though it looks clunky https://www.ebay.com/itm/4-215-55R16...s/293202317605

      I think these 205/55-16 Kumho Wintercraft went up in price, I grabbed 2 for mother in law's Jetta S/W Supposed to be KILLER.

      https://www.ebay.com/itm/2-New-Kumho...6/383074801795

      215/55-16 is the best 16" size though.

      https://www.ebay.com/itm/4-New-SUMIT...s/173994566155

      Here's a search string:

      https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...CW&_dcat=66471

      Toyo Observe is H rated and cheap... https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...CW&_dcat=66471

      Blizzak WS 90 is a lil expensive https://www.ebay.com/itm/4-New-Bridg...s/352717581088

      X-ice https://www.ebay.com/itm/4-NEW-215-5...S/312706042965

      Nokian WRG4 is a hit https://www.ebay.com/itm/4-New-Nokia...6/263892344186

      Cooper, Pirelli... Toyo Celsius is closer to your ideal.... https://www.ebay.com/itm/Toyo-Celsiu...sAAOSwv~RdOc~f

      DWS in the right size could be good...

      https://www.ebay.com/itm/Continental.../303134446054?

      A quick survey of 16", I would get the Nokians for your situation, or the Kumho Wintercraft. Look for the Nexen in your size too.

      $252 total after rebate for these Uniroyals, they are owned by Michelin, kind of a bigger brand in Europe. Almost a no-brainer for what you can ship some used wheels or steelies direct to the installer.... 205/60-16 ....



      https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...TPIS3&i1_Qty=4

      This guy is good... https://www.youtube.com/user/TyreReviews

      The video is good however it completely skipped the All weather category altogether.

    9. 09-21-2019 02:19 AM #33
      I think the Michelin is all-weather. It's an evolving category, with fuzzy boundaries.

      He has some other vids, which may cover the subject better.

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      09-21-2019 09:39 AM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by A.Junkie View Post


      Hmm, Sottozero 3 handles well, even though it looks clunky https://www.ebay.com/itm/4-215-55R16...s/293202317605
      If you're selecting snow tires based on their dry handling capability you're sort-of missing the point of snow tires.
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    11. 09-21-2019 02:31 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by smhA2 View Post
      If you're selecting snow tires based on their dry handling capability you're sort-of missing the point of snow tires.
      Not really, since only about 5-10% of my driving will actually be on snow. Most "use" will be in cold/wet. In fact, even more use will be in normal dry driving, especially after they are worn down to 1/2 tread, and I use them up as all-seasons.

      If I only cared about snow performance, I would have spiked knobby tires. I see guys get caught up in needing "the best" of any given thing, to the point they can't enjoy the #2 or #3 item. Frankly, I'm not driving in deep snow anyway, why focus my tire set-up on it? I use the example of a typical day that it might snow, and I HAVE to go someplace....

      I have a foot of snow in my driveway, some packed snow in my neighborhood, plowed secondary roads, and a dry highway run of 100 miles to the city and back, where it may get to +50f. If I am driving 100mph on dry roads, which tire do I really want??? Since you "car guys" think all-seasons are good for nothing, what am I to do??? Should I tow a trailer full of different tires... Start on deep snows to gewt out of the driveway, then stop and switch to sport snows to make it to the plowed roads, then all-seasons to get to the highway...and THEN stop and swap on performance tires for the highway???

      That way, I will always have THE BEST tires on my car for the given roads...right? OR, I could just use a tire that works in ALL conditions I encounter.

      What are you using anyway? Because I guarantee they would suck at some point in my drive.


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      09-21-2019 04:32 PM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by A.Junkie View Post
      Not really, since only about 5-10% of my driving will actually be on snow. Most "use" will be in cold/wet. In fact, even more use will be in normal dry driving, especially after they are worn down to 1/2 tread, and I use them up as all-seasons.

      If I only cared about snow performance, I would have spiked knobby tires. I see guys get caught up in needing "the best" of any given thing, to the point they can't enjoy the #2 or #3 item. Frankly, I'm not driving in deep snow anyway, why focus my tire set-up on it? I use the example of a typical day that it might snow, and I HAVE to go someplace....

      I have a foot of snow in my driveway, some packed snow in my neighborhood, plowed secondary roads, and a dry highway run of 100 miles to the city and back, where it may get to +50f. If I am driving 100mph on dry roads, which tire do I really want??? Since you "car guys" think all-seasons are good for nothing, what am I to do??? Should I tow a trailer full of different tires... Start on deep snows to gewt out of the driveway, then stop and switch to sport snows to make it to the plowed roads, then all-seasons to get to the highway...and THEN stop and swap on performance tires for the highway???

      That way, I will always have THE BEST tires on my car for the given roads...right? OR, I could just use a tire that works in ALL conditions I encounter.

      What are you using anyway? Because I guarantee they would suck at some point in my drive.

      No duh, any tire compromise. Personally if I'm buying a snow tire. I'm buying a tire that's best in snow for when I need to drive in the snow. In the summer I run all seasons *best tire wear and great wet weather traction* I dont use summers as I'm lucky to even get a season out of them.

      The point of me getting the best winter tires I can is to deal with the worst case scenario. And that's what I plan for.

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      09-21-2019 06:54 PM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by Hoble View Post
      No duh, any tire compromise. Personally if I'm buying a snow tire. I'm buying a tire that's best in snow for when I need to drive in the snow. In the summer I run all seasons *best tire wear and great wet weather traction* I dont use summers as I'm lucky to even get a season out of them.

      The point of me getting the best winter tires I can is to deal with the worst case scenario. And that's what I plan for.
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      09-21-2019 07:00 PM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by A.Junkie View Post
      What are you using anyway? Because I guarantee they would suck at some point in my drive.
      Since this is the first winter for my Alltrack I don't have the snow tires yet, but I'll probably follow what I did with my 9-2x and get some Hakkapeliitta 8 or 9s even thought I can't get use studs. I might try some Hakkapeliitta R3 just to see how well they work. I'd really like to try some Nokia WR G4 but I don't want to go to a wider snow tire.
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      09-21-2019 09:01 PM #39
      I just put a set of Nokian EnTyre 2.0's on another vehicle. Needed tires, not enough extra coin to get regular AND snow tires, plus another set of rims + TPMS.

      I have dedicated snow tires and rims for the other vehicle, and wouldn't have it any other way.

      If these Nokians do well, maybe I'll get those next go around for the other vehicle.

    16. 09-22-2019 12:08 AM #40
      No kidding, duh. A child could follow along with the linear logic of snow = snow tires. Congratulations, but you don't seem to address the multiple variables of it NOT snowing 95% of the time.

      So, you're fixed on that 5% of driving, vs the 90%-95% of normal winter driving....umm, ok. Remember, Nordic snows are only better than sport snows in DEEP snow, so now we are down to a few percent of the total miles driven....and that's paramount in your mind?

      What about the condition where we don't even see ANY deep snow, lol. What, drive on mushy knobby snows for 4 months, maybe with studs, that wear out in a season or two, wow that is REALLY smart! Explain why I included the pic with the VW Polo rally car, then you will get closer to the truth.


      Since I am a dummy and new at this, I'll settle for a tire that's way better than normal all-seasons in almost every conceivable situation, other than maybe a closed track event. Unlike most people, I have 6+ sets of unused wheels here, it's NOTHING for me to slap together an "intermediate" set. If I want another set, and another, I can just get them. I don't have to put all my eggs in one basket to save a few shekels. I simply do not want to drive on deep snows, get it? I got the best handling all-weather tire for a REASON.

      So sure I am, I actually bought TWO sets of Winguard Sport 2. On my Avant I have good Nokian eNTYRE 2.0, so I don't even need snows this year, but since I have a nice set of take-off wheels from my Mercedes van in 17", which I would not normally use for daily driving, I want to use them for a "light snow" set. Again, why not use Nordic snows with a low speed rating...? I go to Florida for 3 months a year! So... you say I still need Nordic tires for deep snow? Really? lol. Now you have the answer that you didn't even bother asking. Frankly, I would feel pretty bad if I went off on another member, saying they "don't get it", when in fact I do get it, just not on a level you can understand.
      A few days separate these pics. At what time did I need Nordic snows? For when I drive back to PA after 2000 miles on scorching pavement?






      Even better, my wife's Golf S/W got the great handling & speed-rated Nexen too. She only has one set of regular tires, Cooper CS5 Ultra leftovers off my C240 with decent tread. However, they are useless in any cold-rain / snow so she'll need a good all-weather tire to replace them in a year or two anyway....hmm, how about just using the VR rated Nexens with half-tread? Since she has extra 16" wheels and is planning on buying Nordic snows in a year or two to replace the worn Nexens...it does mesh together nicely. Maybe she should have got all THREE sets of wheels & tires together all at once??? Umm, no.


      The lesson here is partly manners and partly common sense; just ask someone why they are using whatever tire they have, instead of making a bunch of tired assertions and judgments right off the bat. The answer might be more complex than you anticipate.

      Mother-in-Law's Jetta Sportswagen got the killer Kumho Wintercraft, her choice of speed-rated snow at $70/ea. She lives in the highest incorporated borough in PA, and still didn't want to drive on deep snows since she hits the highway a lot, and at-speed. She's on Conti Extremes now.... but we're actually noobs at this.


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      09-22-2019 10:19 AM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by A.Junkie View Post
      No kidding, duh. A child could follow along with the linear logic of snow = snow tires. Congratulations, but you don't seem to address the multiple variables of it NOT snowing 95% of the time.

      So, you're fixed on that 5% of driving, vs the 90%-95% of normal winter driving....umm, ok. Remember, Nordic snows are only better than sport snows in DEEP snow, so now we are down to a few percent of the total miles driven....and that's paramount in your mind?

      What about the condition where we don't even see ANY deep snow, lol. What, drive on mushy knobby snows for 4 months, maybe with studs, that wear out in a season or two, wow that is REALLY smart! Explain why I included the pic with the VW Polo rally car, then you will get closer to the truth.


      Since I am a dummy and new at this, I'll settle for a tire that's way better than normal all-seasons in almost every conceivable situation, other than maybe a closed track event. Unlike most people, I have 6+ sets of unused wheels here, it's NOTHING for me to slap together an "intermediate" set. If I want another set, and another, I can just get them. I don't have to put all my eggs in one basket to save a few shekels. I simply do not want to drive on deep snows, get it? I got the best handling all-weather tire for a REASON.

      So sure I am, I actually bought TWO sets of Winguard Sport 2. On my Avant I have good Nokian eNTYRE 2.0, so I don't even need snows this year, but since I have a nice set of take-off wheels from my Mercedes van in 17", which I would not normally use for daily driving, I want to use them for a "light snow" set. Again, why not use Nordic snows with a low speed rating...? I go to Florida for 3 months a year! So... you say I still need Nordic tires for deep snow? Really? lol. Now you have the answer that you didn't even bother asking. Frankly, I would feel pretty bad if I went off on another member, saying they "don't get it", when in fact I do get it, just not on a level you can understand.
      A few days separate these pics. At what time did I need Nordic snows? For when I drive back to PA after 2000 miles on scorching pavement?






      Even better, my wife's Golf S/W got the great handling & speed-rated Nexen too. She only has one set of regular tires, Cooper CS5 Ultra leftovers off my C240 with decent tread. However, they are useless in any cold-rain / snow so she'll need a good all-weather tire to replace them in a year or two anyway....hmm, how about just using the VR rated Nexens with half-tread? Since she has extra 16" wheels and is planning on buying Nordic snows in a year or two to replace the worn Nexens...it does mesh together nicely. Maybe she should have got all THREE sets of wheels & tires together all at once??? Umm, no.


      The lesson here is partly manners and partly common sense; just ask someone why they are using whatever tire they have, instead of making a bunch of tired assertions and judgments right off the bat. The answer might be more complex than you anticipate.

      Mother-in-Law's Jetta Sportswagen got the killer Kumho Wintercraft, her choice of speed-rated snow at $70/ea. She lives in the highest incorporated borough in PA, and still didn't want to drive on deep snows since she hits the highway a lot, and at-speed. She's on Conti Extremes now.... but we're actually noobs at this.


      https://youtu.be/pe-gkTCOs7E
      Well I'll retreat and check out of this discussion based on your obviously superior knowledge. Goodbye.
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    18. 09-22-2019 11:13 AM #42
      For me, a good all season if about perfect for Chicago. The vast majority of my winter driving is dry or damp expressway plus stop and go city. Snow driving is very slow due to traffic with less traction than I have in my alltrack. At the end of the day it's going to be personal so I don't understand fighting over. i will say that the only guys I know around around here that use winter specific tires are those that use summer specific tires on hot dropped vehicles etc.

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      09-22-2019 03:47 PM #43
      This is an excellent thread. I really appreciate all the input on this especially from A.Junkie, his point of how the conditions are 95% of the time as well as someone else’s point of being prepared for the worst or that 5%. Both are excellent points. Everyone’s situation is different, however taking both of those opposing arguments into consideration, I’ve decided skip Winter tires for my Golf Sportwagen this year and just go with Nokian WR G4 All weather tires to replace the stock all seasons. My reasoning is I got another car ( VW Routan) with dedicated Winter tires and on the bad days I have the choice to either drive the other car with Winter tires or even better work from home whenever school is cancelled due to snow. Given my circumstances, the All weather Nokians for the GSW make a lot of sense.
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      09-22-2019 06:25 PM #44
      Last winter on my stock garbage Hankook all seasons my 4mo handled the snow like a champ. I would not be worried in a major metro area running good all seasons [like Continental DWS or similar] year round.

    21. 09-24-2019 11:55 PM #45
      Urban areas generally means flat (and plowed) which makes one set of tires plausible. A lot of factors contribute to the decision, things as personal as someone's schedule requirements. Some people have jobs that make them essential personnel, or maybe need to care for a parent at the drop of a hat.

      The point being, it's too complex to anticipate other people's needs and their decisions, until they ask and lay out their info for analysis.

      All-weather tires take this premise of using just a single set of tires to a new extreme. I actually got Nokian WRG for my sister with her old beater Audi FWD convert. She's horrified to drive in snow, but now has compelling reasons to remain mobile, and still will not use 2 different sets. Good advice for her, instead of telling her she needs snows, but then she will never get them and remain on bald all-seasons from indecision. That's just how it is.


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      09-27-2019 04:33 PM #46
      After having OEM "all season" tires on my vehicles and comparing them to dedicated snow tires, there's no contest. Especially after a couple/few years and some miles. I have tried a few brands of tires, and so far, they all have sucked near the 60k mile mark even with plenty of tread left: poor performance in the rain or even wet pavement and increasingly noisy. I have had to get rid of otherwise good looking all season tires due to very poor wet traction.

      The dedicated snow tire is WAY better in winter for me.

      When the plows don't come out soon enough, or it's too cold for salt to work and there is a virtual sheet of packed down ice on the road, snow tires win.

      Treadlife is not a winner, though. I'll pay the price in new tires in 3 years compared to AWD/4WD reliability/maintenance/added fuel costs.

      I am really curious to see how the Nokian EnTyre 2.0 works out, because it may really be "good enough" for year round use in my area. Then the test will be at 40k miles or so. So far, I like them and they are quiet. Unfortunately, they aren't on a vehicle that will rack up miles like my VW, and new VW tires are a maybe for next year at this rate.

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      09-27-2019 06:28 PM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by danski0224 View Post
      After having OEM "all season" tires on my vehicles and comparing them to dedicated snow tires, there's no contest. Especially after a couple/few years and some miles. I have tried a few brands of tires, and so far, they all have sucked near the 60k mile mark even with plenty of tread left: poor performance in the rain or even wet pavement and increasingly noisy. I have had to get rid of otherwise good looking all season tires due to very poor wet traction.

      The dedicated snow tire is WAY better in winter for me.

      When the plows don't come out soon enough, or it's too cold for salt to work and there is a virtual sheet of packed down ice on the road, snow tires win.

      Treadlife is not a winner, though. I'll pay the price in new tires in 3 years compared to AWD/4WD reliability/maintenance/added fuel costs.

      I am really curious to see how the Nokian EnTyre 2.0 works out, because it may really be "good enough" for year round use in my area. Then the test will be at 40k miles or so. So far, I like them and they are quiet. Unfortunately, they aren't on a vehicle that will rack up miles like my VW, and new VW tires are a maybe for next year at this rate.
      As far as I know, the Nokian EnTyre is just an All season, not an All weather tire approved for severe winter conditions. The Nokian WR G4 on the other hand is and gets the Winter tire symbol. The Nokian WR G4 design started as a high performance winter tire that was altered to accommodate summer temperatures of 86 F with a long thread life. perfect for a one tire solution in places that rarely exceed 86 F like Central Maine.
      Last edited by Phil37; 09-27-2019 at 06:31 PM.

    24. 09-27-2019 10:14 PM #48
      We've used tons of Nokian eNTYRE, and they are a steal for what they are.

      The 2.0 model is rated in the top few new tires worldwide, if you look at European "tyre" reviews. I have them on my Avant, very cushy and "expensive" feel. Unfortunately their price structure reflects this, and they are nowhere near the bargain buster original tyre is. Let's say the extra price for the 2.0 works for me, but I could more easily recommend the original eNTYRE for other people.

      The new AAA study on premium vs bargain tires is referenced in the Engineering Explained. Well worth checking out. Skip to 6 minutes...



      A nice surprise for Michelin fans, as well as interesting result for a few Korean brands. I want to look at the actual AAA study myself.
      Last edited by A.Junkie; 09-27-2019 at 10:23 PM.

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      09-28-2019 12:13 AM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by A.Junkie View Post
      We've used tons of Nokian eNTYRE, and they are a steal for what they are.

      The 2.0 model is rated in the top few new tires worldwide, if you look at European "tyre" reviews. I have them on my Avant, very cushy and "expensive" feel. Unfortunately their price structure reflects this, and they are nowhere near the bargain buster original tyre is. Let's say the extra price for the 2.0 works for me, but I could more easily recommend the original eNTYRE for other people.

      The new AAA study on premium vs bargain tires is referenced in the Engineering Explained. Well worth checking out. Skip to 6 minutes...



      A nice surprise for Michelin fans, as well as interesting result for a few Korean brands. I want to look at the actual AAA study myself.
      The Entyre is a north American specific tire. It is not available in Europe.

      If you look at the DSI, it is in percentage, not millimeters. the percentage DSI is unique for the North American market.
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    26. 09-28-2019 10:13 AM #50
      Thanks to everyone. One request: keep the info coming but please stay focused on all weather, not all season, tires as a type of snow tire alternative.

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