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      09-10-2019 02:17 PM #76
      Sergio (RIP) was right about one thing... Jeep Wrangler was priced way too low for far too long.

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      09-10-2019 02:34 PM #77
      you can tell its a serious offroader thats exactly like the old one thanks to the kitschy plating on the hood and front of the fenders. oh, and the white roof


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      Way overstyled IMO. Old Defenders were simply styled, the way Wranglers are now. This looks like it has a bunch of BS on it for the sake of having it.
      100%

      i predicted this in the other super long thread.
      it was always going to be an exercise in maximum industrial design, rebranding a basic soft roader chassis with as many faux plasticy bits as possible.
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      09-10-2019 02:46 PM #78
      I like it and the base "Commercial" version of the 90 seems intriguing. We'll see if that comes to the US. The one I built comes up to around $60k which seems expensive then you look at the other off roaders around and it's pretty much in step.

      People complaining that it's not like the old Defender need to realize that they actually need to sell some of these. I put this more in the camp of replacing the old Discovery than a new Defender. The time of solid front and rear axles and super basics from Land Rover are long dead. The Wrangler is following that tradition as long as it can.

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      09-10-2019 03:23 PM #80
      Quote Originally Posted by ILL02GTI View Post
      I was just informed the snorkel shown does nothing to increase wading depth. It's not designed to avoid water but get fresh, non-dusty/dirty air.

      Looks cool, but I'll pass.
      Same deal with the new TRD Tacoma "Desert air intake." Of course legally they won't tell you that you can go through water up past the windshield, it's more of an insurance policy against hydrolocking your engine.

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      09-10-2019 03:29 PM #81
      Historically snorkels are designed to keep fresh clean air coming into the engine, dust free. It's picking up air further off the ground. Sure it can be used for forging water, but their primary function is to keep dust out.
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      09-10-2019 03:31 PM #82
      I'll take a two-door in poverty-spec with steelies, thank you.

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      09-10-2019 03:34 PM #83
      Quote Originally Posted by Cabin Pics View Post
      Historically snorkels are designed to keep fresh clean air coming into the engine, dust free. It's picking up air further off the ground. Sure it can be used for forging water, but their primary function is to keep dust out.
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      09-10-2019 03:35 PM #84
      Quote Originally Posted by Meroving1an View Post
      I'll take a two-door in poverty-spec with steelies, thank you.
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      09-10-2019 04:00 PM #85
      I...I don't hate this. It's actually kind of cool. Nicely done.

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      09-10-2019 04:37 PM #86
      But will the Queen drive it?

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      09-10-2019 04:45 PM #87
      That's the rebirth of the Honda Element! Good job LR!

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      09-10-2019 04:52 PM #88
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      If you were mad about Porsche calling an EV 'Turbo,' wait til you learn that Land Rover's Defender 90 and 110 don't have wheelbases that are 90" and 110"


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      09-10-2019 05:48 PM #89
      Man... I was messing around with the configuration, I can’t think of another modern SUV I like more than these..



      I couldn’t get the steelies on a six cylinder version, but a slightly less optioned four banger is even better looking to me -





      Yeah... I’m in on these. I liked Honda Elements too so that jab is fine by me
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      09-10-2019 05:59 PM #90
      The value play is definitely in a base 4cyl with a couple of well-chosen options.

      Still comes with air suspension, LED headlamps, climate control, etc. Add the off road pack and heated seats and not a ton else.

      And--yeah. It has a strong modern Element vibe to it, but will be less utilitarian.

      Much like Porsche and what the 911 has become--it must be evolved from it's origins. Imagine if Porsche hadn't updated the 911 since 1983 and then introduced the 992 this year...

      It definitely takes the very utilitarian Defender range in another, more modern direction. Whether that is a good thing I'll withhold judgement until I see one in person.
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      09-10-2019 06:07 PM #91
      Comparing this Defender with a classic Defender, would be like comparing a ‘74 Beetle with a ‘97 New Beetle. It should be understood that these are two vehicles from drastically different time periods.

      Naming, marketing and nostalgia are the carry through. Otherwise it’s apples and oranges.

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      09-10-2019 06:08 PM #92
      Are there any pix of the chassis/underbelly? With the IFS/IRS and unibody I am curious what it looks like underneath.

      I found this but would like to see what the diffs and transfer case looks like.

      Here are 552 pix on the LR UK Media Site
      https://media.landrover.com/vehicle/new-defender?page=1

      Last edited by adrew; 09-10-2019 at 06:58 PM.
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      09-10-2019 06:25 PM #93
      Quote Originally Posted by TooFitToQuit View Post
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      09-10-2019 07:53 PM #94
      I will be advocated for this to replace or BMW x5 someday. 4 cylinder with white steelies and a front bench? SO in. Base equipment is impressive.
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      09-10-2019 08:00 PM #95
      Quote Originally Posted by Sporin View Post
      Comparing this Defender with a classic Defender, would be like comparing a ‘74 Beetle with a ‘97 New Beetle. It should be understood that these are two vehicles from drastically different time periods.

      Naming, marketing and nostalgia are the carry through. Otherwise it’s apples and oranges.
      Agree 100%--but there is no way to produce anything comparable to the old Defender for a broader global audience and make a profit on it.

      Styling is one thing, but after watching a couple of videos on this, I think it'll be plenty capable for 95% of buyers who want to use it's off road capability while also becoming a style accessory purchase at a time when JLR needs just such a hit.

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      09-10-2019 08:20 PM #96
      Hopefully its reliable. Its tempting with the steelies like everyone mentioned. I can spec one out with fabric and a panoroof too

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      09-11-2019 08:28 AM #97
      Whoa, check out the intake configuration:


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      09-11-2019 09:29 AM #98
      So the whole "snorkel" thing is often misunderstood and misstated, even within the offroad community.



      It really is just a high air intake, and they originated in the desert places where they were necessary to get the air intake up above the dust.



      The really good ones even have a "cyclone" chamber to separate out even more dust.



      They don't really work as a skin diving snorkel because the airbox and the entire intake tract really aren't watertight. It's designed to minimize how much dirt gets sucked into the air filter, thus clogging things up so the engine can't breathe.

      You certainly CAN create a true underwater snorkel for an engine but it's generally something you only see on older, very simple Diesel engines. There's a great Dirt Every Day ep on this.


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      09-11-2019 09:35 AM #99
      It's absolutely fair to say that all this offroad stuff on the Defender will mostly just look really good in the Orvis parking lot.

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      09-11-2019 09:50 AM #100
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      Hmm, maybe I need to buy some Tata Motors stock.
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      This vehicle alone isn't going to make TATA (NYSE: TTM) a great buy - their stock is down 75% since 2016.

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