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      09-16-2019 03:49 PM #101
      Quote Originally Posted by Dawg Dee-Lux View Post
      There’s a touch of surgicalness to this strike.
      Part of my point. This was a very precise operation... Maybe a bit too precise. You can't tell me the Israeli's haven't pulled off similar and/or outrageous operations in the past. Netanyahu has been sounding crazier and crazier every day as his hold on power looks precarious. The Saudis would be especially nuts to start a war with Iran on their doorstep and have only been interested in being the neighborhood bully in the past. Not to sound paranoid, and I certainly would never just "Blame the Jews," but this all seems too convenient to count Bibi out on this.
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      09-16-2019 03:52 PM #102
      Quote Originally Posted by Dawg Dee-Lux View Post
      There’s a touch of surgicalness to this strike.
      Yep. It ain't no amateur. And that's what worries me the most.
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      09-16-2019 03:53 PM #103
      Quote Originally Posted by Dawg Dee-Lux View Post
      There’s a touch of surgicalness to this strike.

      Makes you wonder who's weapons were used. American? Russian? Chinese? Israeli? Anyone else have this sort of precision?

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      09-16-2019 03:55 PM #104
      Quote Originally Posted by Dawg Dee-Lux View Post
      There’s a touch of surgicalness to this strike.

      ah.... Guess you glossed over this comment

      Analyst Anthony Cordesman from the Center for Strategic and International Studies suggests the attacks could have been carried out using relatively unsophisticated drones operating as "weapons of mass effectiveness".

      "It is virtually impossible to secure civilian facilities from a worker or visitor's capability to use a cell phone to get precise GPS coordinates, commercial satellite coverage is now very good, and there are many ways to produce the kind of image needed for terminal guidance from ordinary photos," he writes.

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      09-16-2019 03:57 PM #105
      Quote Originally Posted by zmt2 View Post
      If there's one thing I learned from 80s apocalypse porn movies and TV it's that US-Russian involvement in the middle east always acts as a calming influence. *exhales contentedly*
      Ironically, Russia was a calming force in Syria, though not a democratizing force. Before Russian intervention, you had the country threatening to splinter into multiple ethno-religious states (Aluwite held Syrian Republic, Jabba al-Nusra, Daesh, Free Syrian Army, Kurds/Rojava). Then Russia stepped in allowing al-Assad to regain power and the country is mostly back to the Aluwite held republic, semi-autonomous Rojava and a small pocket of opposition backed by the Turks.

      Russia could do the same for this Saudi-Iranian conflict, but as someone already pointed out, they do have other problems on their plate.

      Quote Originally Posted by Uber Wagon View Post
      This war will likely be a lot more bloody than the Syrian and Iraqi conflict combined. The Iranian military has nothing to lose, since the prolonged sanctions have ruined Iran into dire straits. Iran feels that it has been backed into a corner, and no way of breaking out except for a military confrontation. I really hope that we are not going into another war in the middle east either. But if Russia do not step in, US will likely strike. Russia has other interests in mind, so I don't see them interfering at all. If they were part of G8, maybe. But they are not.

      I too am worried about the rising gas prices, but it's a small sacrifice to make if we can avoid the war at all costs.
      The war would make Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan look like friendly war games. Say what you will about the Iranian people and their relationship with the regime, but Iran-Iraq taught us they are willing to defend their homeland to the bitter end. An attack by the Saudis on Iran would almost certainly lead to another levée en masse mobilisation of the Iranian people and it would not surprise me if Iranians in diaspora came home for it.
      Last edited by unhappymeal; 09-16-2019 at 04:01 PM.

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      09-16-2019 04:19 PM #106
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      ah.... Guess you glossed over this comment
      Or perhaps I’m not buying what he’s selling.

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      09-16-2019 07:06 PM #107
      Seems to me the most logical rather than dreaming up the Chinese


      American intelligence indicates Iran was the staging ground for a debilitating attack on Saudi Arabia’s oil industry, people familiar with the discussions said Monday, as Washington and the kingdom weighed how to respond.

    9. 09-16-2019 07:18 PM #108
      Quote Originally Posted by unhappymeal View Post
      Ironically, Russia was a calming force in Syria, though not a democratizing force. Before Russian intervention, you had the country threatening to splinter into multiple ethno-religious states (Aluwite held Syrian Republic, Jabba al-Nusra, Daesh, Free Syrian Army, Kurds/Rojava). Then Russia stepped in allowing al-Assad to regain power and the country is mostly back to the Aluwite held republic, semi-autonomous Rojava and a small pocket of opposition backed by the Turks.

      Russia could do the same for this Saudi-Iranian conflict, but as someone already pointed out, they do have other problems on their plate.

      The war would make Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan look like friendly war games. Say what you will about the Iranian people and their relationship with the regime, but Iran-Iraq taught us they are willing to defend their homeland to the bitter end. An attack by the Saudis on Iran would almost certainly lead to another levée en masse mobilisation of the Iranian people and it would not surprise me if Iranians in diaspora came home for it.
      Agree. After knowing the Canadian-Iranian community, oh yea, they'd be heading home for a righteous crusade. Not good for anyone.

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      09-16-2019 07:36 PM #109
      Quote Originally Posted by rlfletch View Post
      I certainly would never just "Blame the Jews," but this all seems too convenient to count Bibi out on this.
      "I'm not racist, but it was definitely the jews."

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      09-16-2019 07:53 PM #110
      Quote Originally Posted by AZGolf View Post
      "I'm not racist, but it was definitely the jews."
      Israel =/= the jews.
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      09-16-2019 08:00 PM #111
      Quote Originally Posted by Dawg Dee-Lux View Post
      Or perhaps I’m not buying what he’s selling.
      Not quite sure what you are buying, but I wouldn't be looking afar (Russians, Chinese) for the perps when you have plenty of local players involved. I'll be fine with blaming the Iranians
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      09-16-2019 08:05 PM #112
      Quote Originally Posted by AZGolf View Post
      "I'm not racist, but it was definitely the jews."
      God forbid anyone criticize Israel.
      Quote Originally Posted by Fritz27 View Post
      Mercedes typically makes awful manual transmissions and fantastic auto transmissions. Choosing the stick would be like saying, "Y'know, that Natalie Portman is pretty hot, but if she grew some hair on her legs and had a dong, she'd be just right."
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    14. 09-16-2019 11:58 PM #113
      Quote Originally Posted by rlfletch View Post
      I keep thinking: Who would really benefit from the US and Saudi Arabia getting into a war with Iran? Saudi Arabia? No. Iran? Nope. The US? Yeah, right. Add in: Who could pull off a sophisticated drone attack that targeted the most important parts of Saudi Arabia’s oil infrastructure? I’ll give you one guess and his last name rhymes with “Fartin’ on yah.”
      You talk as if Iran is a monolithic country where everyone has the same agenda. It's like saying everyone in the US has the same agenda. Fact is the hardliners in Iran want a confrontation to justify their raison d'etre. That includes their support for all the various militias all over the middle east.

    15. 09-17-2019 06:04 AM #114
      Quote Originally Posted by MonsterM View Post
      This.

      Another nothingburger.
      Bringing this back to cars and how it relates to us, you're still right, it's a nothing burger. Gas is still $2.18 for the cheap stuff and the nine dollar per barrel of oil rise was due to speculation. It's already walking back because of the reasons we already laid out, there's no shortage.

      There is for the Saudis, but the world keeps chugging in the background as they wallow in the mess they've made:

      NIck Butler, a visiting professor at King's College London, told the Today programme: "It just shows how much oil there is available in the world - there is no shortage.

      "The price spike was inevitable, but it’s interesting it’s falling away now and I expect it to fall back more as we get to the know the exact details of what happened."

      On Friday, a barrel of Brent Crude oil cost $60 but after the attacks it jumped up to $71 before falling back to $68.

      Mr Butler added: "The current price of a barrel is, in real terms, lower than 40 years ago when I joined the oil industry."

      https://www.bbc.com/news/topics/cmjpj223708t/oil

    16. 09-17-2019 06:18 AM #115
      Quote Originally Posted by Burnette View Post
      Bringing this back to cars and how it relates to us, you're still right, it's a nothing burger. Gas is still $2.18 for the cheap stuff and the nine dollar per barrel of oil rise was due to speculation. It's already walking back because of the reasons we already laid out, there's no shortage.

      There is for the Saudis, but the world keeps chugging in the background as they wallow in the mess they've made:

      NIck Butler, a visiting professor at King's College London, told the Today programme: "It just shows how much oil there is available in the world - there is no shortage.

      "The price spike was inevitable, but it’s interesting it’s falling away now and I expect it to fall back more as we get to the know the exact details of what happened."

      On Friday, a barrel of Brent Crude oil cost $60 but after the attacks it jumped up to $71 before falling back to $68.

      Mr Butler added: "The current price of a barrel is, in real terms, lower than 40 years ago when I joined the oil industry."

      https://www.bbc.com/news/topics/cmjpj223708t/oil
      As stated earlier, Russia is ready and willing to make money. I mean help:

      “There are enough commercial inventories in the world right now to cover a shortage in the medium term,” Novak said, noting that a lot would depend on how long the Saudi infrastructure would be offline.
      https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-N...upply-Gap.html

      And then there's OPEC:

      "UAE: OPEC Can Fill Saudi Oil Supply Gap If Necessary

      OPEC has sufficient spare capacity to respond to supply shortages after this weekend’s attacks on oil infrastructure that took more than half of Saudi Arabia’s oil production offline, Suhail Al Mazrouei, the energy minister of the United Arab Emirates (UAE), said on Monday. .

      “We have spare capacity, there are volumes that we can deal with as an instant reaction but we need to analyse the full impact, and the assessment of the incident is under way in Saudi Arabia,” Al Mazrouei said, as carried by The National.
      https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oi...Necessary.html

      And Saudia Arabia itself has reserves at home and abroad. The only way for us to feel it is if this goes to full blown war and really, none of the actors want that. They all just want in on the game.

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      09-17-2019 07:00 AM #116
      What's it gonna take to get Iran out of the doldrums?

      If I had to choose between Iran or KSA having nukes I'd def rather it be Iran. For all its problems at least Iran is an educated pseudodemocracy. I heard a Saudi say "our grandparents lived in tents, and our grandchildren will live in tents". They embody a country with more money than sense

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      09-17-2019 07:39 AM #117
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      What's it gonna take to get Iran out of the doldrums?
      How about a multi-national agreement where Iran submits to regulation and regular inspections of their nuclear capabilities in exchange for relief from economic sanctions? The US could join with large European countries to help oversee this.

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      09-17-2019 07:48 AM #118
      Quote Originally Posted by 2 doors View Post
      How about a multi-national agreement where Iran submits to regulation and regular inspections of their nuclear capabilities in exchange for relief from economic sanctions? The US could join with large European countries to help oversee this.
      This sounds like a good idea. Why hasn't anyone tried it yet?
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      09-17-2019 07:50 AM #119
      Blah blah blah what's my Premium gas gonna cost me?
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      09-17-2019 09:06 AM #120
      Quote Originally Posted by NeverEnoughCars View Post
      This sounds like a good idea. Why hasn't anyone tried it yet?
      No idea. It seems like it would be too logical.

      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      What's it gonna take to get Iran out of the doldrums?

      If I had to choose between Iran or KSA having nukes I'd def rather it be Iran. For all its problems at least Iran is an educated pseudodemocracy. I heard a Saudi say "our grandparents lived in tents, and our grandchildren will live in tents". They embody a country with more money than sense
      No kidding. Not to mention Iranians have demonstrated that left to their own devices, they lean towards secular, modern democracy (i.e., the Mossadegh era and the Green Movement). The Saudis have demonstrated a penchant to curb any attempts to move the Middle East forward (e.g., undermining the Arab League and Nasser, exporting Wahhabism, interference in Yemen, the coalition against Qatar, ISIL/Daesh and on and on).
      Last edited by unhappymeal; 09-17-2019 at 09:15 AM.

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      09-17-2019 09:51 AM #121
      Iran sure has changed since the 60s and 70s.

      From locals doing the 'Tehran twist' to students sporting mullets and miniskirts: Fascinating photos reveal life in Iran before the revolution

      From students sporting mullet haircuts and flares to colourful VW Beetles careering down tree-lined avenues into central Tehran - surprising images of Iran, taken before the revolution, have emerged online.

      The stunning photos of life across the vibrant country in the 60s and 70s portray a seemingly cosmopolitan kingdom on the brink of change.

      Locals are pictured doing the 'Tehran twist' to Iranian rock 'n' roll bands, families sunbathe by a swimming pool and mosques and bazaars still popular today are also caught on camera, revealing the tension between modern and traditional influences tussling for supremacy.

      The 1979 revolution saw the ousting of King Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi and the instalment of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini - a shift that would have long-lasting and far reaching implications.




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      09-17-2019 09:55 AM #122
      Quote Originally Posted by Cousin Eddie View Post
      Blah blah blah what's my Premium gas gonna cost me?
      I'm sitting at about two fiddy.
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      09-17-2019 09:56 AM #123
      US markets are open; top story is that oil prices are down 5% today. At the moment it appears Brent is down over 6% even.

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      09-17-2019 10:04 AM #124
      Iran was also a democracy before the US-lead coup installed the shah- which subsequently lead to the revolution.

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      09-17-2019 10:20 AM #125
      Quote Originally Posted by Hajduk View Post
      Iran was also a democracy before the US-lead coup installed the shah- which subsequently lead to the revolution.
      We have a long history of stuff like this I'm afraid.

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