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    • Add a MANUAL transmission option...

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    • Make it all-electric...

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    • Raise the ground clearance, and make it SUC (Sports Utility Coupe)

      10 16.67%
    • Nothing. Sedan segment is dead, kill the second generation.

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    • I have another way I can save the Stinger from extinction...

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    Thread: Hey TCL CEO, what WOOD you do to save Kia Stinger?

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      09-18-2019 12:23 PM #1


      The Kia Stinger performance sedan has won numerous awards but it hasn’t won as many hearts as the South Korean carmaker was hoping – and now the company is deciding if it will build a successor. If a second generation Kia Stinger goes ahead, it could become an electric car.

      The global slump in sedan sales has hit the Kia Stinger head on, particularly in North America where it was expected to shine.

      Kia Stinger sales in Australia are also running at about half the rate forecast and demand is down compared to this time last year, although it is the second-biggest seller in the large-car class behind the Holden Commodore and ahead of the Mercedes E-Class, BMW 5 Series and Skoda Superb.

      One of the creators of the Kia Stinger concept, Gregory Guillaume, vice president, senior chief designer of Kia’s styling studio in Germany, told Australian media in Frankfurt: “At the moment I’m not sure it’s doing as good as we hoped.”

      “We never really expected to do massive volumes,” said Mr Guillaume. “It was a halo car. We did want to be successful at least in America, the market where we thought there is a chance that it works. We had very high expectations for that market and it’s very difficult to start in such segments.”

      Mr Guillaume said he hopes Kia gives the Stinger sedan a second chance because it takes time to get established when a brand is new to a segment.
      “The beginning of my career was at Audi,” said Mr Guillaume. “I remember... it took three generations of the A8 (limousine) to be seen on eye level to a (BMW) 7 Series or (Mercedes) S-Class. You have to persevere. If you’re entering these segments (whether) it’s premium or image vehicles, you have to give yourself a bit of time.

      "The company will have to be ready to understand that. I think we should continue (even though) the sedan market is getting more and more difficult worldwide.”

      Mr Guillaume feels protective of the Stinger because he and his European team helped bring the car to life. “Stinger is a European design,” he says. “From beginning to end the concept was from us, the idea of making such a car was from us, and we followed it all the way through. It’s really our baby and the one we’re most proud of.”

      Mr Guillaume said some customers were still coming to terms with paying a premium price for a Kia sedan. In Germany the Stinger starts from €44,490, or $71,700 Australian. In Australia the Stinger costs from $50,490 drive-away.

      “If there is some issues it’s not because of how the car looks... it’s more the positioning of where it is for a Kia,” said Mr Guillaume.

      When asked if there was room for improvement in the way the Kia Stinger drives, especially when compared to its twin under the skin, the Genesis G70 (pictured below) Mr Guillaume said: “The Stinger is trying to be a Grand Turismo. The Genesis is trying to be a (BMW) 3 Series fighter.”

      “We knew from the start (the Stinger) can’t be... as tight as a 3 Series or as the Genesis will be,” said Mr Guillaume. “When you have several brands in your portfolio, it’s silly to put them side by side. We aim at different targets.”

      When asked when a decision on the next generation Stinger will be made, Mr Guillaume said: “We have to see if Stinger continues – first of all if it will be continuing, which I really hope so – and if we think this is the format to continue in the future.”

      The chief designer then hinted the next Stinger could even be an electric-only proposition, although that too was yet to be confirmed.

      “As you know there’s a lot going on with electrification, so it could be that Stinger becomes something else. I don’t know. We’re not there yet. We’ve got a bit of time,” said Mr Guillaume.
      https://www.caradvice.com.au/793340/...ger-undecided/
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      09-18-2019 12:25 PM #2
      Nothing. I really don't like H/K.
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      09-18-2019 12:27 PM #3
      Quote Originally Posted by The_Real_Stack View Post
      Nothing. I really don't like H/K.
      You don't like Honda and Koenigsegg?
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      09-18-2019 12:29 PM #4
      Raise it by 4 inches, give it a 3rd row, lift gate, and AWD and rename it Stinger X. Profit.

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      09-18-2019 12:31 PM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by masa8888 View Post
      Raise it by 4 inches, give it a 3rd row, lift gate, and AWD and rename it Stinger X. Profit.
      THIS. And so much this.
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      09-18-2019 12:32 PM #6
      the "wood" thread titles are getting old

      But in reality theres not much to be done. It's the badge that kills it. Most people are, believe it or not "badge whores". You're no impressing your neighbors or coworkers in a kia even if it means driving in a lease special BMW

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      09-18-2019 12:34 PM #7
      It's the right car being sold by the wrong dealership network.
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      09-18-2019 12:34 PM #8
      Second gen should be an PHEV and/or All-Electric CUV Coupe

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      09-18-2019 12:36 PM #9
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      Fixed

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      09-18-2019 12:41 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by The_Real_Stack View Post
      Nothing. I really don't like H/K.
      Is Harmon/Kardon that bad? Seems like it'd be better than BLOSE

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      09-18-2019 12:42 PM #11
      I felt like this is how things would play out. Sure, it's great value and is really fast. But it's a KIA and compared to a German sportback it's very ugly. Everything behind the rear door is kind of a disaster, and it has the same short greenhouse + slab sided problem as my Optima (which it also shares too many design cues with)

      H/K should put that money into the next Sorento. Make a "coupe" version with the 3.3T if you want. That actually sounds like something I'd buy (for my wife)

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      09-18-2019 12:45 PM #12
      I would build a stripper version with a manual and sell it for less money. Definitely wouldn't save the Stinger but would be cool.

      That thing is doomed unfortunately.

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      09-18-2019 01:00 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      I felt like this is how things would play out. [snip]
      H/K should put that money into the next Sorento. Make a "coupe" version with the 3.3T if you want. That actually sounds like something I'd buy (for my wife)
      I agree with the above.
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      09-18-2019 01:02 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by masa8888 View Post
      Raise it by 4 inches, give it a 3rd row, lift gate, and AWD and rename it Stinger X. Profit.

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      09-18-2019 01:16 PM #15
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      09-18-2019 01:26 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by absoluteczech View Post
      the "wood" thread titles are getting old

      But in reality theres not much to be done. It's the badge that kills it. Most people are, believe it or not "badge whores". You're no impressing your neighbors or coworkers in a kia even if it means driving in a lease special BMW
      I don't know if most people are badge whores necessarily, but they don't want to have to explain their choice. I think badge prestige is on like a -5 to 5 scale; a Rolls and a Ferrari are a 5, maybe a BMW is a 3, a Honda/Toyota are a 1, a Chevy and Ford are zero, and a Hyundai and a Kia are like a -1 or -2. I don't think most people need to be at a 3, but they probably don't want to be a -1 either.
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      09-18-2019 01:43 PM #17
      options:
      1. more power, lower price.
      2. hybrid, lower price
      3. make a CUV out of it.
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      09-18-2019 01:47 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by The_Real_Stack View Post
      I don't know if most people are badge whores necessarily, but they don't want to have to explain their choice. I think badge prestige is on like a -5 to 5 scale; a Rolls and a Ferrari are a 5, maybe a BMW is a 3, a Honda/Toyota are a 1, a Chevy and Ford are zero, and a Hyundai and a Kia are like a -1 or -2. I don't think most people need to be at a 3, but they probably don't want to be a -1 either.
      yup i think that's most likely the reason

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      09-18-2019 01:52 PM #19
      It's so liberating not caring what people think of your car and just driving whatever suits you. As for the Stinger, it was doomed the second it had a KIA badge. The Hyundai dealership network is inconsistent at best. Putting it under the same tent as dealerships that try to hide your license and keys from you or want to run your credit before letting you test drive it was a death sentence.

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      09-18-2019 02:02 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by chucchinchilla View Post
      It's the right car being sold by the wrong dealership network.
      Maybe for internet comment sections. There aren't many buyers for this thing in real life. I mean the new 3 series is selling at 1/2 the F3x's peak. So what hope does a KIA competitor have? I mean at least the G70 will have the dealer experience one day for basically the same money...

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      09-18-2019 02:08 PM #21
      Sell the platform to Honda/Acura and have them re-brand it? I'm longing for real Type-R's from Acura again (I've been stalking ITR's on BAT and debating making a splash as a forever car).

      I don't associate performance cars with Hyundai and/or Kia, and don't really see myself buying one.

      I think you'd have a hard time getting me into an Alfa as well.

      I'm afraid the Stinger is doomed.

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      09-18-2019 02:09 PM #22
      I hate the CUV coupe segment. It's so awkward and the lack of usable space is so pointless to me. Why not just get a GT or sedan at that point? This whole crossover craze is getting out of control.

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      09-18-2019 02:12 PM #23
      I think the biggest problem is the styling. It’s a hot mess that looks like it should be an econobox hatch with a big wang. For the money most folks don’t want a sedan that looks like that.
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      09-18-2019 02:23 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by unhappymeal View Post
      It's so liberating not caring what people think of your car and just driving whatever suits you. As for the Stinger, it was doomed the second it had a KIA badge. The Hyundai dealership network is inconsistent at best. Putting it under the same tent as dealerships that try to hide your license and keys from you or want to run your credit before letting you test drive it was a death sentence.
      Agreed. The infotainment also seems a bit last gen at only 7" on the lower trims.

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      09-18-2019 02:23 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by absoluteczech View Post
      the "wood" thread titles are getting old
      Knock it off or he'll bring back LOL WATT titles.

      Let the Stinger die. It shouldn't have been built in the first place.

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