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    1. Member TooOldForThis's Avatar
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      10-08-2019 05:07 PM #76
      Quote Originally Posted by danny_16v View Post
      I really think all the 4Runner stock shocks suck except for TRD Pro. They're too soft and floaty.
      Yeah I put TRD Pro shocks and springs on my Trail Premium definitely a big difference.

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      10-08-2019 07:07 PM #77
      Quote Originally Posted by danny_16v View Post
      I really think all the 4Runner stock shocks suck except for TRD Pro. They're too soft and floaty.
      For cornering, the KDSS option is a huge improvement. It's got about 35% bigger diameter sway bars front and rear, and the relative reduction in body roll is very noticeable. All a Trail/TRD-Off Road with KDSS needs is a set of decent shocks, as the stock ones are way under-damped for a vehicle this heavy. The TRD Pro, especially the 2019+ have nicer shocks, but they're geared for off-roading more so than on-road use, with the 109+ being geared even more towards compromising road manners for more off road capability.

      IMO, the sweet spot of 4Runners that will spend the majority of their time on road is a Trail/TRD Off-Road with KDSS, and a set of Bilstein 5100 or the aforementioned 6112/5160 combo.

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      10-08-2019 08:20 PM #78
      Quote Originally Posted by mrothwell View Post
      And I think this is the main issue why there’s such disagreement here. Some people LIKE driving trucks, and others don’t.
      That's really the crux of it. I've owned a bunch of 4Runners and other BOF SUV's and I've never thought they drove poorly so clearly I'm in the "like" camp there.

      If she's loving that Crosstrek, then she would have for sure hated driving a 4Runner every day. Quite a big size difference inside and out as well.

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      10-08-2019 11:04 PM #79
      Quote Originally Posted by Porkchopexpress View Post
      Probably 10 times more than most 4runner owners. I drive off-road maybe twice a year but the roads where I live, (Hawaii) are terrible so 4runners just last longer than unibody cars here.
      Toyota 4runner/Tacoma, the official vehicle of this island.


      And get out of the left lane if you're not going to even do the speed limit, let alone 5-10 over. Jesus.

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      10-09-2019 09:07 AM #80
      Quote Originally Posted by vwpiloto View Post
      For cornering, the KDSS option is a huge improvement. It's got about 35% bigger diameter sway bars front and rear, and the relative reduction in body roll is very noticeable. All a Trail/TRD-Off Road with KDSS needs is a set of decent shocks, as the stock ones are way under-damped for a vehicle this heavy. The TRD Pro, especially the 2019+ have nicer shocks, but they're geared for off-roading more so than on-road use, with the 109+ being geared even more towards compromising road manners for more off road capability.

      IMO, the sweet spot of 4Runners that will spend the majority of their time on road is a Trail/TRD Off-Road with KDSS, and a set of Bilstein 5100 or the aforementioned 6112/5160 combo.
      I just don't know if I'd want the added complexity (possible future issues) of having KDSS. My whole reason for 4Runner is it's inherent long-term reliability/ease of maintenance. Now to be honest I haven't driven KDSS. But having driven a TRD Pro, I thought the Bilstein TRD's (6112/5160) felt great and even my wife drove it and loved how it drove. So not sure I'd really need KDSS, just a good set of shocks. I imagine the new bypass FOX setup is just as good or even better.
      GLi : M3 : CX5
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      10-09-2019 06:32 PM #81
      TO THE GUYS WITH CROSSTREKS:

      How are these cars? Reliable? Comfortable on highway?
      2016 GTI S 6MT 2door

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      10-09-2019 11:42 PM #82
      Quote Originally Posted by 87vr6 View Post
      Toyota 4runner/Tacoma, the official vehicle of this island.
      You mean its not Maui?

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