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      10-09-2019 04:28 PM #51
      Quote Originally Posted by BsickPassat View Post
      Essentially, since the measurement is taken at a height of 3'7"
      Interesting, seems low given every other vehicle is a pickup truck.

      The performance of the lights, seemed to meet their requirements, but then it was given a low score, just trying to figure how it's calculated or if it's just an arbitrary opinion.

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      10-09-2019 04:32 PM #52
      Quote Originally Posted by sandwich-chris View Post
      Interesting, seems low given every other vehicle is a pickup truck.

      The performance of the lights, seemed to meet their requirements, but then it was given a low score, just trying to figure how it's calculated or if it's just an arbitrary opinion.
      The headlights were rated down because of excessive glare measurements to oncoming drivers. They actually scored higher in the illuminated distance effectiveness than quite a few 'acceptable' rated headlights - so glare was the only demerit. Of course, that only matters to oncoming drivers - the Arteon driver's experience with the headlights will be that they are quite good...especially in the higher trim levels where they have the auto high beam assist and bend into curves.
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      10-09-2019 04:37 PM #53
      Quote Originally Posted by sandwich-chris View Post
      Interesting, seems low given every other vehicle is a pickup truck.

      The performance of the lights, seemed to meet their requirements, but then it was given a low score, just trying to figure how it's calculated or if it's just an arbitrary opinion.
      The parameters may or may not be questionable (I don't know), but it I don't believe that anything is left to interpretation that doesn't absolutely have to be.
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      10-09-2019 05:31 PM #54
      Quote Originally Posted by compy222 View Post
      this true, the only concern i'd have would be automatic door locks and/or any electronics in the door mechanism to get out of the vehicle. that said, if you hit something hard enough for the battery to exit the vehicle, as long as the airbags deployed i'm not sure it matters much.
      Quote Originally Posted by patrikman View Post
      Which is why I think this is such a cause for concern. In modern times we’ve begun to rely so heavily on these post crash features I fear we’ve begun to move away from the importance of what to do after a crash if these systems aren’t available to us. Even basic things like the inability to turn on flashers in the even of an accident can cause even more risk to the occupants.

      Most if not all modern cars at this point open the locks when the airbags deploy, we can see from the video airbags went off so door locks should have opened at the same time.


      We also seem to be ignoring that some cars literally disconnect the battery upon firing of the airbags. So we are literally building in systems that cut off these modern features in the case of an accident. You can buy cars today that even if your battery remains intact and you can open the door yourself and go whoops I messed up.. you still can't reach back in and turn the hazards on because the car disconnected all power for you.

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      10-09-2019 05:35 PM #55
      Quote Originally Posted by Samson View Post
      How is the battery in the Arteon clamped? Is it one of those little guys that grabs the lower lip of the battery case?
      Quote Originally Posted by ice4life View Post
      Some Arteon battery porn.



      Bolted in not just plopped.

      One ends sits under a lipt and the other side is held down with a little metal plate about 2x3 and a single bolt. Same basic way VW has done it for a few decades. The trays are now fiber reinforced plastic thing not metal, they have been using that since the mk4s? And its been in the same spot as the Aerton since the mk5s or about 05ish.

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      10-09-2019 05:47 PM #56
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      That's pretty good for an '07.
      Yeah, surprising. Our old '12 Tucson got a fail.

      Quote Originally Posted by ice4life View Post
      Some Arteon battery porn. It's kind of just plopped in there with an insulation surrounding it. The clamshell hood and front end are pretty wild, and I think it contributed to the projectile battery.
      Interesting design, and that's a cool color. If I recall correctly, my old A3 VR6 had a similar mounting style. I guess a 40lb brick ejecting itself upon impact is not considered an issue, as odd as it seems. It's not like it would be a difficult problem to solve.

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      10-09-2019 05:49 PM #57
      Quote Originally Posted by chris86vw View Post
      Bolted in not just plopped.

      One ends sits under a lipt and the other side is held down with a little metal plate about 2x3 and a single bolt. Same basic way VW has done it for a few decades. The trays are now fiber reinforced plastic thing not metal, they have been using that since the mk4s? And its been in the same spot as the Aerton since the mk5s or about 05ish.
      Pretty sure my Touareg battery was in the trunk. And the earlier gen was under the driver's seat. So not all have it in the same spot- Based on your description, the battery did not look like it was bolted down. But that was just my observation looking at it head on.


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      10-09-2019 05:51 PM #58
      Quote Originally Posted by spockcat View Post
      Just preparing for when all VWs are EVs and they don’t want occupants burning from a battery fire.
      Tesla does this very well, today.
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      10-09-2019 06:00 PM #59
      Quote Originally Posted by ice4life View Post
      Pretty sure my Touareg battery was in the trunk. And the earlier gen was under the driver's seat. So not all have it in the same spot- Based on your description, the battery did not look like it was bolted down. But that was just my observation looking at it head on.
      I'm referring strictly to the transverse platform vehicles that were predecessors to the aerton or currently use similar mounting and are on the same platform.

      It is 100% bolted down in your car, if not contact the NHTSA and get the recall started. I tried to find it in the FMVSS but little hard to search that now that there is a bunch of EV stuff that mentions battery over and over again. But I am 99.9% sure that some sort of battery tie down is a requirement.


      ETA... even then both those Touaregs had their batteries bolted down in a very similar fashion. Slightly different physical tie downs but same idea on the early ones, blanking the late ones but I think might use the same little thing as the arteon
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      10-09-2019 06:03 PM #60
      Quote Originally Posted by Samson View Post
      Interesting design, and that's a cool color. If I recall correctly, my old A3 VR6 had a similar mounting style.
      Thanks- What is an A3 VR6? Is that a Euro model? I know they made a TT 3.2 VR6 (Eos too), but I didn't know there was an A3 VR6.

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      10-09-2019 06:06 PM #61
      Quote Originally Posted by ice4life View Post
      Thanks- What is an A3 VR6? Is that a Euro model? I know they made a TT 3.2 VR6 (Eos too), but I didn't know there was an A3 VR6.
      I believe he is referring to a MK3, until the Mk4 which made it confusing since Audi had the A4, they were usually referred to as A1, A2, A3 because they were the A platform cars.


      So a mk1 rabbit is an A1

      A mk2 golf is an A2

      A mk3 gti like he is talking about is an A3



      But also yes there is a 3.2 VR6 Audi A3 that was sold in the US.

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      10-09-2019 06:09 PM #62
      Quote Originally Posted by chris86vw View Post
      I believe he is referring to a MK3, until the Mk4 which made it confusing since Audi had the A4, they were usually referred to as A1, A2, A3 because they were the A platform cars.


      So a mk1 rabbit is an A1

      A mk2 golf is an A2

      A mk3 gti like he is talking about is an A3

      But also yes there is a 3.2 VR6 Audi A3 that was sold in the US.
      Gotcha! Thank you for the clarification. Also- thank you for reminding me of the A3 hatch 3.2- DUHH. I got hung up on the later sedan/cabrio.

      Quote Originally Posted by chris86vw View Post
      I'm referring strictly to the transverse platform vehicles that were predecessors to the aerton or currently use similar mounting and are on the same platform.
      It is 100% bolted down in your car, if not contact the NHTSA and get the recall started. I tried to find it in the FMVSS but little hard to search that now that there is a bunch of EV stuff that mentions battery over and over again. But I am 99.9% sure that some sort of battery tie down is a requirement.
      ETA... even then both those Touaregs had their batteries bolted down in a very similar fashion. Slightly different physical tie downs but same idea on the early ones, blanking the late ones but I think might use the same little thing as the arteon
      I'll take your word for it- But it really does look like it is just free standing with the two connections (one covered with a plastic like plate).

    14. 10-09-2019 06:11 PM #63
      Quote Originally Posted by S1ack View Post
      Happened on the Mk7 GTI as well.

      Yep.
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      10-09-2019 06:14 PM #64
      Quote Originally Posted by gti_matt View Post
      Yep.
      My first arteon had the engine cover with the silver VW badge (like this GTI). They cheaped out during production, and my later build now has an all black plastic engine cover without the silver badge.

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      10-09-2019 10:57 PM #65
      Quote Originally Posted by ice4life View Post
      Thanks- What is an A3 VR6? Is that a Euro model? I know they made a TT 3.2 VR6 (Eos too), but I didn't know there was an A3 VR6.
      This is an a3 VR6, mine circa 2008

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      10-09-2019 11:25 PM #66
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      We also seem to be ignoring that some cars literally disconnect the battery upon firing of the airbags. QUOTE]

      Are we ignoring this? This is not something common knowledge in my world.
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      10-09-2019 11:29 PM #67
      I know it's common to deactivate the fuel pump in an accident (like Fords that have the reset switches in the trunk) but have never heard of the battery disconnecting. Maybe some hybrids disable the high voltage stuff?
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      10-10-2019 01:25 AM #68
      Quote Originally Posted by S1ack View Post
      Happened on the Mk7 GTI as well.


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      10-10-2019 01:33 AM #69
      Quote Originally Posted by mach250 View Post
      Why dont they include the driver seat headrest?
      probably blocks a camera angle if you see the in-car video
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      10-10-2019 06:17 AM #70
      Quote Originally Posted by adrew View Post
      I know it's common to deactivate the fuel pump in an accident (like Fords that have the reset switches in the trunk) but have never heard of the battery disconnecting. Maybe some hybrids disable the high voltage stuff?
      I'm referring to standard 12v systems.

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      10-10-2019 07:17 AM #71
      Quote Originally Posted by ice4life View Post
      My first arteon had the engine cover with the silver VW badge (like this GTI). They cheaped out during production, and my later build now has an all black plastic engine cover without the silver badge.
      I noticed the same on a Tiguan I was looking at yesterday. Even if they didn't do a separate badge at least having it painted silver would help. Looks really cheap.

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      10-10-2019 07:42 AM #72
      Quote Originally Posted by ice4life View Post
      Thanks- What is an A3 VR6? Is that a Euro model? I know they made a TT 3.2 VR6 (Eos too), but I didn't know there was an A3 VR6.
      Sorry - '95 Jetta GLX. It did have a padded battery "parka" though. Maybe the thought was that when the battery ejects itself, the parka will cushion the impact a little.

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      10-10-2019 08:21 AM #73
      Quote Originally Posted by ice4life View Post
      My first arteon had the engine cover with the silver VW badge (like this GTI). They cheaped out during production, and my later build now has an all black plastic engine cover without the silver badge.
      You had to get it replaced already???

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      10-10-2019 08:26 AM #74
      Quote Originally Posted by ice4life View Post
      My first arteon had the engine cover with the silver VW badge (like this GTI). They cheaped out during production, and my later build now has an all black plastic engine cover without the silver badge.
      How is something so inconsequential worth banging your head?

      The only VW logos on my old cars are on the fuel pump (which you can see) and cast into the case, but you have to crawl under the car to see those. Worse yet, on later cars there isn't one on the fuel pump at all. The horror! Those bastards totally cheaped out!



      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      You had to get it replaced already???
      Yeah, that seems more serious. If you mentioned it previously I missed it. I hope it wasn't a big accident. If it was are you okay? Really. I hope everything is okay.
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      10-10-2019 09:25 AM #75
      Quote Originally Posted by UncleJB View Post
      I noticed the same on a Tiguan I was looking at yesterday. Even if they didn't do a separate badge at least having it painted silver would help. Looks really cheap.
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      How is something so inconsequential worth banging your head?
      Okay maybe not bang head worthy. But it def felt like a cheap-out that was unecessary given it's the flagship and it had it months earlier. They also removed the aux jack from the first one I had.



      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      You had to get it replaced already???
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      Yeah, that seems more serious. If you mentioned it previously I missed it. I hope it wasn't a big accident. If it was are you okay? Really. I hope everything is okay.
      The first one had undisclosed damage from the port or the dealer. VW never found out what happened to it but the intercooler had a dent in the bottom of it, the paint was literally peeling off the bumper after a week, and the grill was all sand blasted after I washed it. After 45 days of the dealer and corporate fighting back and forth, they finally replaced the car by doing a trade assistance as there were none at the port to give us. It was a real pain in the arse. It's our last VW after buying 8 in 8 years.
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