No, I don't think we can flip a switch and fix it next year. No, I don't want a forced 50%. But 25% isn't great. But 25% is up at least 5% from a decade or two ago, so that's better I guess.
current: '14 BRZ, '16 Focus ST, '09 Fit
たくさんとうふ、よ Where did all these damn Toyotas come from?
Compared to a British roadster, all Volkswagens are reliable!
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This is all fine, until you realize there are male and female versions of the commercial. The female version not only makes her look a lot less doofey than the man version, but her license plate says "He Picked" implying the car she hates was the result of her man's inability to pick a car she liked. Not to mention she makes jokes about him sitting across from her at the table, and tells them if he answers the phone, to tell him to mind his own business. Sorry, but undertones are still undertones, so I get what you are saying here 100%.
Wow this thread went down hill from when I checked it an hour ago.
Incels are terrible, their problems are self created. It's not women's fault you don't take care of yourself and can't talk to people.
Why does there NEED to be 50% women in STEM? Let them choose what they want. Yeah men can make things difficult but given hundreds of years of historical context STEM isn't statistically appealing. That being said a woman pretty much out us on the moon so they're clearly capable in STEM, if they want to be. It's almost 'backwards' sexism telling women they need to sign up for STEM for "equality". Equity is more important.
I'll be honest I've never met a girl in real life who liked cars, but I've witnessed some very fast women at autocross. On the inverse, why aren't more men into sewing or scrapbooking? Obviously that's not something every woman does, or even many women, but the percentage of participants is definitely swayed towards the female side. Let people enjoy what they want regardless of gender.
Trolls are everywhere, unfortunately being female gives an extra angle of attack, and then there's people who are genuinely against integrating.
It takes a Polish woman to bust the myth that the ice roads in Canada are super dangerous to drive on. (Turn on CC for English captions.)
Yes - agree.
My $0.02 worth of psychoanalysis on it is lots of this will come down to ego. Viewing an 'opportunity' to belittle someone else for your own self-whatever and/or to be 'noticed' by your peers or simply that wo/man in the mirror. Or in a more perverted way; that person is doing what I like, they may be better at it, my ego cannot handle that therefore I need bring them down/rationalize their inadequacies and deficits; or even worse the immature/juvenile I want to be WITH (yikes) that person (attraction) because my brain is still adjusting to normal healthy relationships and I'm running on impulse, but I may be rejected, my ego cannot handle that, so let me diminish the value of that individual so I don't feel so bad about not "having' it. Discrimination and objectification is a low-cost feel-good pick-me-up.
What else can be done in addition to calling out BS egos? I think many of us could use a concrete game plan and reminders to check ourselves before perpetuating some of that crappy exclusive culture - be it conscious or not.
Atomical - don't see you it a lot in motorcycling and in motorsports?
When my wife and I rode motorcycles for a bit she'd get cat call'd by cagers even just going down the street to the coffee shop. It doesn't bother either one of us because well hell if anything I suppose we're flattered (hmm). I've always felt good whenever someone put in energy and effort to give me attention at a bar; by men or women alike. Then again I'm just as stoked the dog is happy to see me, too. So I obviously didn't grow up in the same sort of unwanted/forced attention environment. Come to think of it I never heard comments about her whenever we'd go to autocross, at least nothing in my earshot. BUT this past weekend SV Autocross I did hear some folks condescending talk about the single lady who was driving a Fiesta ST. There's that tone like 'cute' or 'good for her,' very patronizing. A colleague even stated something similar - that same sort of tone; I pointed out she was quicker than he was, so that ended that. In the PCA events there was a much higher ratio of women to men on track and active in various aspects of the club. Maybe I was naive to it but I didn't hear any issues about women DE instructors or otherwise. Brings me to the point, I assume those emboldened attitudes will quiet once representation is increased.
I remember we had a Formula W Series discussion here on the board a while back and that was refreshing as it clicked with me the importance of exposure to the topic of systemic discrimination into this world.
your previous posts were informed, insightful, helpful, and valuable. this one is intolerant, whiny, finger pointing victim signaling. yes, you owe all of us better than namecalling.
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I'm a pigeon playing chess.
It isn't necessarily about actually making it 50% or whatever current percent of men to women we have on the planet by force. It is telling girls it is OKAY to be interested in this stuff and that you can do this as a job if you WANT. Many girls are told this isn't what they really want and that is why historically it has been skewed.
No one is saying you MUST go into STEM, only that they it is okay to find it appealing.
I sew, have since I was a kid, even own a sewing machine. It was my moms and she didn't want it since she doesn't sew. But then my dad wanted to sew some stuff so he went out and bought a sewing machine.On the inverse, why aren't more men into sewing or scrapbooking?
First person I knew really into scrapbooking was a dude. He'd probably say they were just very well curated photo albums, but let's be honest just because there was no glitter doesn't mean it wasn't a scrapbook
It's also tuned, so somewheres in the 400hp/500tq range, I think.
I really don't care what gender the person is/identifies as, I just want to read about cars. My issue with Jalopnik is crappy articles. Kristen Lee is probably my least favorite writer for Jalopnik.
"I don't like red convertibles"
"I like stripes"
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I spent 10 years as an auto adjuster for an insurance company. I probably got 6-7 fuel mix-up claims a year (almost always gas in a diesel, so reverse of your sister). 100% of the claims were caused by women, normally the spouse/GF/daughter of the the person that normally drives the car, not remembering to put diesel at the pump. Coincidentally, a lot of these losses occured at BP stations, since the color of the pump handle is reversed (gas-green/diesel-black)
I was always told a diesel pump won't work in a gas car, but I never tried when I owned a diesel. I did have to argue with a few fuel attendants in OR when I owned a TDI Golf though.