"we need to make more enthusiast cars"
"...so lets drop some powerful powertrains into existing SUVs."
Last edited by worth_fixing; 10-18-2019 at 07:06 AM.
Any car which holds together for a whole race is too heavy.
The Stinger only makes sense for Hyundai/Kia because the company already has an affordable-ish RWD sedan platform.
VAG has no such thing, and with the alleged death of the sedan segment, they have no incentive to develop one.
RWD enthusiast oriented cars, in general, are having a real hard time in the US.
Other than the perennial 3-Series, cars like the Lexus IS, Infiniti XXX, Cadillac ATS, Jag XXX, and Alfa Giulia are struggling. I can't even begin to guess how the Genesis XXX is doing.
Even the Camaro and Mustang face challenges, while the Charger/Challenger somehow remains strong.
Modern VW simply isn't known for RWD performance, anyway. It's not in the brand's character. The GTI/R is VW's halo enthusiast vehicle. Keep making it and keep making it fast and affordable.
Americans would much rather see the Microbus replacement or even an EV replacement for the Beetle or Thing, before yet another (failed) challenger to the 3-Series.
VW has teased the US market with cool concepts and ROW options for far too long to give them ANY press for anything other than an actually cool vehicle launch at this point.
The boss finally becomes self aware and realizes just how utterly brain freezingly boring VW is and it gets pages of discussion?
Last edited by BRealistic; 10-18-2019 at 09:19 AM.
I wouldn't hold my breath.
VW changes what they think they need to do in the US market every 5-7 years, and as a result every strategy they entertain is never fully implemented. (AND the next strategy is often directly opposite of the previous)
If you want a fun, enthusiast VW look at 25+ year old examples.
2014 Passat SE, 1.8tsi, 5sp / 1986 Golf Custom
2019 DT Ram 5.7 16V / 2005 E-450 motor home 6.8 20V
A2 Golf & A2 Coupe racers
Keogh is our guy. He was instrumental in the current success Audi has had in the US the past 10 years, and is probably the main reason we are getting the new RS6 Avant.
It is a good thing he is now at VW. With him at the helm, I expect more success for VW, and that means first concentrating on the CUVs. With the Atlas and Tiguan, VW finally has some much needed cash flow in the US. Maybe add another 1 or 2 SUVs after the cross-sport and they will have the market covered. Then we can get maybe some Euro-only products down the line..
For now, so long as they continue importing the sporty Golfs I will be happy. There are a few Euro VWs I would love to own (mainly the Passat wagon and the Transporter), but at the end of the day, Golf R is my #1 pick, and we get it.
Last edited by ZPayne; 10-18-2019 at 10:05 AM.
Come on VW, take my money!!!
Bring this concept body back, make it a VW, put the Golf R drivetrain in and call it Corrado...but fix the front styling.
I like bikes.
Gone: 2010 VW GTI
The 2.0T is perfect in a car the size of the R; there's no reason to put more weight on the nose of that car, and the 2.0T ha proven to be able to produce plenty of power with very easy modification - no one needs more than 400hp/400tq from a sport compact with AWD. It doesn't make cool noises like the I5 (other than DSG farts if you're into that kind of thing), but that's just how it's going to be.
Last edited by Eye Candy White; 10-18-2019 at 10:32 AM.
The x1/9 and 914 were both great cars with modest horsepower that were quicker and more efficient than their contemporaries. I'd still love something like an Opel Speedster with VW's 1.4 turbo or a Ford one liter ecoboost. (I test drove a second generation MR2 with the 2.4 liter NA engine and thought it was joyless.)
The problem I see is that the configuration is an anachronism in any market with front drive hatches. 914s and x1/9s were expensive, while Golfs weren't and could also do lots of practical things. I remember the allure of racing GT40s, 250LMs, 904s and how struck I was the first time I saw a Dino, but I'm old and so are lots of people with those same memories and who might not even be able to get in and out of cars like that.
I wish the market had greater diversity, or that there were a viable garage built industry as seen in the UK, but having everyone in at least 3,000 pounds of car festooned with airbags really works against the ideas of cheap, light, fun, simple and weird.
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Originally Posted by vwtool
And as far as numbers are concerned, yes i'd agree the 2.0T is perfectly adequate for the golf R.
It just isn't anything i'd be willing to spend 40k on. Too boring, they sound like ****, and for me pull absolutely ZERO heartstrings.
If the number is 300hp, I'd far rather have a small displacement turbo 6 cylinder over a 4 cylinder turbo.
Also Audi has also told the head of R Line that there is now way the I5 will show up in a production Golf R. They won't allow it ever. That and with their budget limitations for the R line range they couldn't afford it either.