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      11-08-2019 12:38 PM #1
      Just a little Friday daydreaming...I've been on a 911 kick lately, and really been like the Carrera 3.2 cars. Because I've drunk the Kool-Aid I believe the one to get is the G50 (1987-1989), for no tangible reason I can back up what so ever.

      But then this morning on my way to work I saw a clean red/tan (love it) 993, and I think ooh, for just a little more $$, you (not me, I'm not buying anything) could get one of those, and the A/C works better, it's 10 years newer, looks more modern (not necessarily better, my opinion on this is fluid), etc etc.

      And then there's always splitting the difference with the 964, more rare than either one, and just as interesting in its own right.


      Which one do you choose? None is likely to lose any real value, so buy-in cost difference is somewhat academic, are running costs that different? Any one way better or worse to drive than the other?









      Assume we're talking standard Carrera 2 (where applicable) coupes here, not special models, not turbos, not Singers, none of that BS, just regular old base coupes.
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      11-08-2019 12:56 PM #2
      I was born in 1990, the 993 is, and always will be, what comes to mind when I think Carrera.
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      11-08-2019 01:06 PM #3
      If I wanted 'modern' but still aircooled I would do a 993 C4S. You get the widebody without the 993TT tax.

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      11-08-2019 01:07 PM #4
      All will feel special and old-skool compared to any 991/2 you can get your hands on.

      I think the G50 clamoring is overrated-- a well sorted 915 is a fine transmission and requires a bit more finesse (which I find fun in a car like this).

      964 adds power steering

      993 adds a bit more comfort + better low end torque.

      IIRC 3.2s need top-end rebuilds every 75k-100k, not too sure about 964/993, but I feel like I see a good amount of them with $$ engine work in that mileage range too (varioram and secondary air injection services on the 993).

      edit: also, search homie. there is no stone unturned in the 911 world-- you can find driving/costs/etc on any model.
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      11-08-2019 01:11 PM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by 16volt View Post
      If I wanted 'modern' but still aircooled I would do a 993 C4S. You get the widebody without the 993TT tax.
      You spelled C2S wrong.

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      11-08-2019 01:14 PM #6
      993 the choice for me.
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      11-08-2019 01:18 PM #7
      The '87-'89 G50 Carreras are the last of the old-school feeling 911s as you can imagine. Manual steering, torsion bars instead of springs, they are a delight to drive but more physical than most cars. The steering is heavy at low speeds, the brakes need a good shove to bite. You also have to wind that 3.2 past 4K to really get the power out of it. I love the things, and if you are keen on that kind of driving experience go ahead and do it. Personally I am a G50 trans fanboi, the linkage is just plain better and the hydraulic assist on the clutch is a bonus too. I do agree that you can optimize an earlier 915 trans car to shift well, but the G50 cars do that out of the box....

      964s are measurably more refined and 'easier' to drive than the G50 Carreras but still carry tons of that old 911 charm. They are quicker and ultimately more forgiving, and have more creature comforts such as the above mentioned power steering and coil-spring suspension which carries better ride compliance and in my experience, better suspension articulation. I had a chance to buy a babied 1994(!) 964 C2 about 10 years ago, but the price was a little high at $28K. Boy to I regret that now.....

      993s are of course the ultimate air-cooled, with the full LSA rear suspension setup. Fast, fast, fast, and genuinely chuckable without worrying about backwards guardrail kisses.

      As to which you should get, depends if you like your steak rare (G50) or medium rare (964, 993). I could make a compelling argument for each, I would be happy with any of them, but the G50 cars IMO are just a few clicks extra special.

    9. 11-08-2019 01:21 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by Sonderwunsch View Post
      You spelled C2S wrong.
      This is choice #1.

      Choice #2 is a widebody 964 C4

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      11-08-2019 01:29 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by Cr4shT3st View Post
      This is choice #1.

      Choice #2 is a widebody 964 C4

      Those are crazy rare, only 267 came to the US. For the price they go for you may as well get a Turbo.

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      11-08-2019 01:37 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by Sonderwunsch View Post
      Those are crazy rare, only 267 came to the US. For the price they go for you may as well get a Turbo.
      QFT

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      11-08-2019 01:38 PM #11
      Part of me would rather have a 993 and part of me would rather have a short wheelbase early car. If I were seriously in the market I'd probably compromise and get an SC, or possibly something as late as a 964.

      I would be happy with anything 993 or earlier.
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      11-08-2019 01:40 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by 16volt View Post
      QFT
      Because Turbos don't cost any more to maintain. Amirite?
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      11-08-2019 01:41 PM #13
      Nobody could argue that you’d go “wrong” with a G50 Carrera. But as an ownership proposition, a lot of the specialists I talk to love the 911SC’s, from ‘78 to ‘83, because they’re dead reliable - well, as far as 40 year old cars go, anyway. Not the quickest, true, but you really don’t notice it when you drive, it’s such a nicely balanced piece.

      A 915 transmission that’s not worn out isn’t as awful as people make them out to be. Totally in character, it just requires getting used to it, like the rest of a rear-engined air cooled car. And the ‘83 SC I drove with the Wevo upgrade was the best shifter feel I’ve ever experienced - it was like cocking a bolt action rifle at every gear change.
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      11-08-2019 01:50 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by MylesPH1 View Post
      Nobody could argue that you’d go “wrong” with a G50 Carrera. But as an ownership proposition, a lot of the specialists I talk to love the 911SC’s, from ‘78 to ‘83, because they’re dead reliable - well, as far as 40 year old cars go, anyway. Not the quickest, true, but you really don’t notice it when you drive, it’s such a nicely balanced piece.

      A 915 transmission that’s not worn out isn’t as awful as people make them out to be. Totally in character, it just requires getting used to it, like the rest of a rear-engined air cooled car. And the ‘83 SC I drove with the Wevo upgrade was the best shifter feel I’ve ever experienced - it was like cocking a bolt action rifle at every gear change.
      The SC was the car that solidified the 911's reputation. It's a fantastic car and its one real fault (the chain tensioners) can be upgraded to the later hydraulic units fairly easily.

      It may be my favorite late model 911, but that could change tomorrow, too.
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      11-08-2019 01:51 PM #15
      964 or 993 for me

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      11-08-2019 01:51 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by MylesPH1 View Post
      a lot of the specialists I talk to love the 911SC’s, from ‘78 to ‘83, because they’re dead reliable - well, as far as 40 year old cars go, anyway. Not the quickest, true, but you really don’t notice it when you drive, it’s such a nicely balanced piece.
      Indeed, the CIS injected 3.0 in the SC cars are tuned more for midrange, which makes them excellent daily drivers.

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      11-08-2019 01:51 PM #17
      AWD in 911s makes Ferdinand Porsche cry.
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      11-08-2019 01:54 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      Part of me would rather have a short wheelbase early car.
      Should I jackpot the Lotto, I want an early 912 with one of these in it. Look closely at how many trumpets that engine has folks.....


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      Quote Originally Posted by The_Real_Stack View Post
      AWD in 911s makes Ferdinand Porsche cry.

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      11-08-2019 01:58 PM #20
      964 please.
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      11-08-2019 02:00 PM #21
      I've always had a soft spot for 993s. The problem is these are approaching $80-100k aren't they?

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      11-08-2019 02:04 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by Itgb View Post
      I've always had a soft spot for 993s. The problem is these are approaching $80-100k aren't they?

      yea or more. you can find ones in 50-60, but it just depends on a lot of porsche nerd factors

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      11-08-2019 02:11 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by DerSpiegel View Post
      That isn't a 911.
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      Quote Originally Posted by DerSpiegel View Post
      Should I jackpot the Lotto, I want an early 912 with one of these in it. Look closely at how many trumpets that engine has folks.....

      Yeah, I could live with that. I'm a traditionalist, but those things are sooooo sweet.














      They'd also easily fit into a Karmann Ghia, Type 3 or Bus.
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      11-08-2019 02:22 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      That isn't a 911.
      Haha OK fair enough

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