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      11-12-2019 09:21 AM #76
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      Love Guards Red but not a fan of the whaletail on non-turbos.
      I think I love the whale tail because I saw a picture once of people having a picnic on it.


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      11-12-2019 11:13 AM #77
      Quote Originally Posted by Sporin View Post
      I think I love the whale tail because I saw a picture once of people having a picnic on it.

      Non-turbo Whaletail AND a targa...ick.


      It's funny, because on a lot of other cars (F355, NSX) I LOVE the targa. But it ruins the 911 IMO. There's a guy nearby who has a 991 Targa, and even though I find that car interesting, I still don't love the look. I would rather have a 911 coupe or if I'm going open Porsche, a Boxster.
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      11-12-2019 11:24 AM #78
      Quote Originally Posted by Sporin View Post
      I think I love the whale tail because I saw a picture once of people having a picnic on it.

      It's fine because they are clearly overlanding in that picture, but they better not roll up to do some surf casting or commute with that as it is completely unnecessary.

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      11-12-2019 11:33 AM #79
      Quote Originally Posted by chris86vw View Post
      It's fine because they are clearly overlanding in that picture, but they better not roll up to do some surf casting or commute with that as it is completely unnecessary.


      Is that a rooftop sleeping bag???
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      11-12-2019 11:43 AM #80
      993 C2S Guards red, no wings/aero.

      This isn't an S but the color Combo I'd want.

      https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds...3/2291082.html

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      11-12-2019 12:08 PM #81
      I don't necessarily love the 911 targa either, but I have to be honest - If the right one showed up and the price was too good to be true, I'd deal with the targa.
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      11-12-2019 12:09 PM #82
      Quote Originally Posted by Sump View Post
      993 C2S Guards red, no wings/aero.

      This isn't an S but the color Combo I'd want.

      https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds...3/2291082.html
      That is gorgeous.
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      11-12-2019 12:26 PM #83
      Quote Originally Posted by Cabin Pics View Post
      I don't necessarily love the 911 targa either, but I have to be honest - If the right one showed up and the price was too good to be true, I'd deal with the targa.
      I'd be sad every time I opened the garage and looked at it. I'd probably get over it while behind the wheel, but then when I opened the garage again I'd be sad again.



      Unless it were a '68 with the zip-out rear window, I think I could go for that. It'd make a terrible daily driver, so I don't think I would've considered one when new.
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      11-12-2019 12:42 PM #84
      See now the only one I want at this point is an SC targa, blackout package, in Petrol Blue. It was my dream 911 back when I had my coupes, 'cause a good friend had one and it was glorious to drive with the top off... identical to this one:



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      11-12-2019 12:45 PM #85
      Quote Originally Posted by Chris_V View Post
      See now the only one I want at this point is an SC targa, blackout package, in Petrol Blue. It was my dream 911 back when I had my coupes, 'cause a good friend had one and it was glorious to drive with the top off... identical to this one:



      Yep, I'd **** with that.
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      11-12-2019 12:58 PM #86
      Quote Originally Posted by Chris_V View Post
      See now the only one I want at this point is an SC targa, blackout package, in Petrol Blue. It was my dream 911 back when I had my coupes, 'cause a good friend had one and it was glorious to drive with the top off... identical to this one:
      to me the quarter panel blending into the roof with that semi-elliptical back window is what makes a 911 a truly beautiful car, unlike the 356 - even though everything is similarly laid out. It's the genius of the design. It carries on the look of the 356 and in 1965 couldn't have been mistaken for anything other than a Porsche, but it's gorgeous.

      In the Targa that is all completely gone.
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      11-12-2019 01:13 PM #87
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      to me the quarter panel blending into the roof with that semi-elliptical back window is what makes a 911 a truly beautiful car, unlike the 356 - even though everything is similarly laid out. It's the genius of the design. It carries on the look of the 356 and in 1965 couldn't have been mistaken for anything other than a Porsche, but it's gorgeous.

      In the Targa that is all completely gone.

      For me, the 911 line from the top of the headlights arching back to the top of the taillights is the perfect line as well as the overall arc of the roof line. The targa is a tiny bit off in the arc of the roofline, but it's an open car which makes up for all of it. For me, driving the car with the top off and the view out over the curving headlight pods makes the experience. Not the side windows.
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      11-12-2019 01:15 PM #88
      Quote Originally Posted by Chris_V View Post
      For me, the 911 line from the top of the headlights arching back to the top of the taillights is the perfect line as well as the overall arc of the roof line. The targa is a tiny bit off in the arc of the roofline, but it's an open car which makes up for all of it. For me, driving the car with the top off and the view out over the curving headlight pods makes the experience. Not the side windows.
      The experience is a different thing entirely than the beauty of a car.

      I've had a couple of open cars and I like them, but I don't clamor for another. Some cars just "get you" and the narrow body 911 is one that gets me.

      Also note that I started out the last post with the words "to me...". Edit: I did note that you did the same.
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      11-12-2019 01:30 PM #89
      Quote Originally Posted by Chris_V View Post
      For me, the 911 line from the top of the headlights arching back to the top of the taillights is the perfect line as well as the overall arc of the roof line. The targa is a tiny bit off in the arc of the roofline, but it's an open car which makes up for all of it. For me, driving the car with the top off and the view out over the curving headlight pods makes the experience. Not the side windows.
      x2. I honestly wasn't much of a Targa fan until I drove a '87 extensively with the top removed. Loved it, better than most convertibles due to less wind buffeting. I'd rock one.

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      11-12-2019 01:38 PM #90
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      The experience is a different thing entirely than the beauty of a car.

      I've had a couple of open cars and I like them, but I don't clamor for another. Some cars just "get you" and the narrow body 911 is one that gets me.

      Also note that I started out the last post with the words "to me...". Edit: I did note that you did the same.
      Oh, I get that, but to me (), the 911 isn't really a pretty car. Attractive, but not necessarily pretty. I reserve that for classic Ferraris, some Astons, Talbots and the like. It's a functional, and superb driving car, however, and that makes up for what it lacks in other areas. And for me, an open car is the ultimate driving experience. Out of my hundred+ cars in 40 years, the open ones were always my favorites and hopefully will always have at least one in my garage. The Targa combines, for me, the attractiveness of the 911 with the driving experience of the cabrio, but with better visibility and rigidity. That's part of why the SC Targa is my ultimate air cooled 911.

      Funny that I don't really care for the SC/Carrera cabrio as much... I should like it more, but it looks a bit much like a hacked up kit car...



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      11-12-2019 01:41 PM #91
      I don't love the Targas but I prefer it over the convertibles since I (personal opinion) think the 911 convertibles look way too humpbacked and ungainly.

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      11-12-2019 01:51 PM #92
      I'm also in the camp of liking Targas. Is the hatred mainly due to water leaks in the earlier models?

      I like both interpretations of the 964 Targa and 993 "Targa"




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      11-12-2019 01:56 PM #93
      This thread has made me look at a lot of 911 ads and I now know for sure that I prefer the look of the 930 and 964 to the 993. The more smoothed out headlight humps of the 993 take away a lot of the visual charm for me.

      (this is purely a design opinion, not a 'how they drive' opinion)




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      11-12-2019 02:12 PM #94
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      If I could have any one car at any price for the rest of my life it would be this. 964 is the top choice for me as well even in real life, with my own money, just not in RS form.
      Wow. What color is that?

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      11-12-2019 02:18 PM #95
      Quote Originally Posted by masa8888 View Post
      I'm also in the camp of liking Targas. Is the hatred mainly due to water leaks in the earlier models?
      For me it's purely a cosmetic thing, the arc from bumper to roof of a 911 coupe is beautiful, on a targa it's fussy, ungainly, and ugly.

      Just MHO.
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      11-12-2019 02:42 PM #96
      Quote Originally Posted by troyguitar View Post
      Wow. What color is that?
      Rubystone Red.

      Quote Originally Posted by The_Real_Stack View Post
      For me it's purely a cosmetic thing, the arc from bumper to roof of a 911 coupe is beautiful, on a targa it's fussy, ungainly, and ugly.

      Just MHO.
      Yeah, I can understand that. It's also one of my favorite things of the 911. I think the Targa models look charming in their own way though. Probably because the Singer Targa is a wet dream for me.


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      11-12-2019 02:49 PM #97
      Put me in the Targa fan club too. Guards red over black. It helps that I can drive it year-round with the top off.

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      11-12-2019 02:50 PM #98
      I am going to have to agree.
      The lines of a coupe to me are what make a Porsche a Porsche.

      I know the targa's are nice but they don't illicit that same feeling for me.

      When I was in the market around 2012-13, I was looking at G bodies for a while, my Dad had a green early 80s turbo in the 90s that I loved. For me, the best combination of old and new is the 964, which is how I ended up with mine.
      Honestly, I don't think you can go wrong with any generation. If I had a G-body I think I would be making it a bit more "outlaw" 16s with meaty tires and a good suspension setup...

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      11-12-2019 02:52 PM #100
      Quote Originally Posted by Cabin Pics View Post
      I don't necessarily love the 911 targa either, but I have to be honest - If the right one showed up and the price was too good to be true, I'd deal with the targa.
      if you have big feet a targa is no fun. they have the same reinforced pedal box as cabs so you lose a lot of room around the pedals
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