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    • S6

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    • E53

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    • M550i xDrive

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    • used M5

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    • RS5 SB

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      11-13-2019 05:28 PM #1
      I'm in the market for a new car during 2020. I am a man of taste that will occasionally have 2 children in the car. I need AWD, speed. I have a 1hr commute to a different hospital once a week, so I need something comfortable and having reasonable mileage. While the RS7, E63 and M5 seem great, I dont want to drop 120k on a new car. So looking at the sub-elites, they're pretty good. Stickered as I'd want theyd all be high 80s-low 90s.

      Audi S6
      + all new
      + conservative styling
      + mild hybrid
      + 's' model
      - only 444 hp
      - would prefer the 4.0 V8
      - tame

      BMW M550i X drive
      + best seats
      + 523hp V8 (+60 this year)
      + 26 mpg highway
      + baby M5
      - styling not for all
      - people dont like the new gauges

      E53 AMG
      +best interior (per the records)
      + 'feels special' (when compared to the others)
      - oldest model
      - my dad has 4 straight E class- probably would want to differentiate
      - lowest power


      What would TCL spend their 90 on?














      To me, the 550 is the clear leader. But would I wonder about the M5? Especially when a 2018 can be had for the same price. I like the RS5 look but it doesn't seem special enough to be 80-85k. Needs more PAH. Thoughts/discussion appreciated
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      11-13-2019 05:34 PM #2
      If you were a true man of taste, you'd get a Bristol Blenheim. But, as a man of marginal taste, you should get the Benz. It's the tweed jacket of the bunch.



      For real though, the Mercedes. I'm a BMW fan, but the Benz is just right.

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      11-13-2019 05:38 PM #3
      If merc still had their boosted non amg v8 I’d take that...ditto for s6.

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      11-13-2019 05:40 PM #4
      E53 by far, the new I6 is a gem.

      If this question was posed a few years earlier I would vote Audi, but I can't get behind the new A6, inside or out.

      BMW is a wildcard for me. I do like the styling, but I still think it's a bit too disconnected.

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      11-13-2019 06:33 PM #5
      I'd get an Exec pack base M5 if I was trying to keep it under 100k. No sense in optioning out an M550i up to 90k when you can get the M5 for a few grand more. But in all honesty, I wouldn't buy a sedan, CUVs are where it's at, especially with kids.
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      11-13-2019 06:37 PM #6
      They're all fantastic choices. I must warn you though, the E-class is about to get its mid-cycle update. Much like the last generation, this one will be major and will include a new front end.

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      11-13-2019 06:48 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by ND40oz View Post
      I'd get an Exec pack base M5 if I was trying to keep it under 100k. No sense in optioning out an M550i up to 90k when you can get the M5 for a few grand more. But in all honesty, I wouldn't buy a sedan, CUVs are where it's at, especially with kids.
      Since I’m gonna put some miles on it, upgraded interior is a must. So the M5 in comparable spec is 110-112. 550 must have the adaptive suspension and full leather/massage etc
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      11-13-2019 06:55 PM #8
      I'd go Audi. That car is just so handsome. And when it comes time to own it out of warranty, its safe to say that owning anything BMW with a 50 on the end of it will ruin you, or at least your budget.

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      11-13-2019 06:57 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by Off Pump View Post
      Since I’m gonna put some miles on it, upgraded interior is a must. So the M5 in comparable spec is 110-112. 550 must have the adaptive suspension and full leather/massage etc
      Exec pack adds heated front/rear, ventilated and massage along with a bunch of other stuff for $3600. Full leather over extended leather is just the lower dash and doors, unless there is an interior color you want that only comes in full, you're not getting that much more for the price increase. The adaptive suspension is included on the M5.

      I've been going back and forth configuring the X5M vs the X5M Comp running into the same options and the sweet spot on it is the base non-comp with the Exec pack and the standard extended leather. The M5 has almost all of the same options and the same seems to hold true with it but with the M5 you have also your choice of black, silverstone or aragon leather, on the X5M all you get is black.
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      11-13-2019 07:04 PM #10
      V8 steals the show.

      So M550i, even if I wasn't exactly thrilled with the loaded 540i a salesman tried to sell me. But I also drove a few X5 xdrive50i and the powertrain was just cheerful and stunning. A V6T like mine does the job, but the level of intensity is not quite it.

      Yeah, too bad Audi chose something else than a V8 in a S6.

      Couldn't care less about E-Class. I heard that they make good taxis.
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      11-13-2019 07:13 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by Crispyfritter View Post
      I'd go Audi. That car is just so handsome.
      Ditto.
      OP you call it conservative, I call it a breath of restraint in a car market gone insane with overwrought styling. The Audi in your photo has great proportions.

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      11-13-2019 07:19 PM #12
      My brother had the same requirements including going from hospital to hospital (surgeon). He ended up with an Alfa Romeo Giulia Quattroformaggi. He loves it. Amazing to drive, great to own, and it's not just another sporting German sedan which you'd appreciate being a man of taste.
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      11-13-2019 07:58 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by chucchinchilla View Post
      My brother had the same requirements including going from hospital to hospital (surgeon). He ended up with an Alfa Romeo Giulia Quattroformaggi. He loves it. Amazing to drive, great to own, and it's not just another sporting German sedan which you'd appreciate being a man of taste.
      x2, the Giulia is the one to get. But if AWD is important take a look at a CPO Quattroporte S Q4, or a Ghibli.
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      11-14-2019 12:04 AM #15
      S6, but M550i works too. I wouldn't buy a used M5 over a new 550i unless it was classic. These cars are meant to be self-indulgent treats after all--nothing says "I've made it" like trying to get the denim stain out of oyster leather.

      Reason I'd go with S6 is that it will likely going to be better at car stuff, and it's a mid-size sedan after all. M550i will be sportier and more balanced, but your rear-passengers will pay for that balance by sitting up near the axle.

      E-Class would be the best place to spend time, but between your father's cars and the pending refresh I too would skip that.
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      11-14-2019 12:06 AM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by BlakeV View Post

      Couldn't care less about E-Class. I heard that they make good taxis.
      I would've thought so, but having ridden in them it turns out it doesn't matter how well the car rode at 0 kms when it has 300,000 ill-maintained ones on the odometer.

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      11-14-2019 01:01 AM #17
      I am hesitant to pick anything until I drive the S6. My C8 A6 is so bland. I much prefer driving the WK2 to the C8.


      The C7 S6 is a favorite of mine. Over all the C7/.5 is a favorite of mine. Thus far the C8 does not hold a candle to it...
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      11-14-2019 03:18 AM #18
      Well, from your list of pros/cons, the cons listed for the BMW are not actually negatives, unless you count yourself among those who don't like the styling and the gauges. So maybe go with that?

    20. 11-14-2019 05:29 AM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by chucchinchilla View Post
      My brother had the same requirements including going from hospital to hospital (surgeon). He ended up with an Alfa Romeo Giulia Quattroformaggi. He loves it. Amazing to drive, great to own, and it's not just another sporting German sedan which you'd appreciate being a man of taste.
      Quote Originally Posted by Wimbledon View Post
      x2, the Giulia is the one to get. But if AWD is important take a look at a CPO Quattroporte S Q4, or a Ghibli.
      Another vote for the Alfa, the others are just so obvious and a true man of taste would always go for an Alfa over the me-too Teutonic trio



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      11-14-2019 05:54 AM #20
      Love the current gen E43 (53? Can't keep up with badge changes!) AMG. Only reason not to get CTS V Sport is lack of AWD if you really need it. E43 comes closest to driving as well as CTS V Sport.

      Miss the previous 3.0TT V6 from C/E 43 AMG. Inline turbo 6 + 48 volt mild hybrid I'm sure is nice & smooth, but maybe not as charismatic as previous V6 - no personal experience, I've just only ever heard good things.

      CT6 with 3.0TT V6 would be a good consideration here as well.
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      11-14-2019 08:54 AM #21
      Vote is for the RS5 - but otherwise BMW or Audi.

      The "sub-elite", as you put it, is something I just can't go for. This describes it best:
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      11-14-2019 09:27 AM #22
      I agree with the above sentiment.

      Get a M5. Whatever additional dollars it is upfront you'll get back on resale.

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      11-14-2019 09:52 AM #23
      A barely used CPO M5 will meet/beat all your requirements and falls into the same price range. A no-brainer compared to these brand new, and you’ve already shaved 20-30k or depreciation off of it.
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      11-14-2019 10:04 AM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by PoorHouse View Post
      I agree with the above sentiment.

      Get a M5. Whatever additional dollars it is upfront you'll get back on resale.
      Quote Originally Posted by Toaster29 View Post
      A barely used CPO M5 will meet/beat all your requirements and falls into the same price range. A no-brainer compared to these brand new, and you’ve already shaved 20-30k or depreciation off of it.
      To confirm this, a pre-owned M5 with ~10k miles can be had quite easily (per autotrader) between $80-95k.
      I would absolutely go this route rather than any of the "compromises"
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      11-14-2019 10:23 AM #25
      BMW - 1 -2 year old CPO M5 over the M550i for sure.

      Audi - I like the S6, but I think they may have missed the mark this go around. To conservative in changes but dumped a wonderful motor for a lateral shift that isn't as good.

      Benz - CLS53 > E53. The only thing the E has over the CLS is that you can go E63.

      Alternate options:

      Maserati Ghibli? Wild card suggestion, not everyone's cup of tea.

      Cadillac if they get their isht together by 2020.

      True winner: Porsche Panamera, find the flavor that fits the bill.
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