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    1. 11-19-2019 03:46 PM #1
      Hi Everyone,

      I've been thinking for a while about purchasing an older model Scirocco. I started seeing what's out there and came across an '86 that has about 18,500 miles and one owner. I know there are many other factors to consider, but approximately what do you think I should pay for this if everything is in good order?


      Thanks in advance.

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      11-19-2019 10:58 PM #2
      Such low miles? All original? VWoA will buy it for big money.

      In all reality though, it's worth whatever you're willing to pay for it. Strike a deal with the seller and you both leave happy.

      Here's what one sold for recently:

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    4. 11-20-2019 12:46 AM #3
      $28,000? Wow. Is that more than what it would have sold for in ‘86? Are Sciroccos collectors items? The main reason I’m interested in it is for nostalgic reasons. This was my first car and I only had it for a couple of years. It was an ‘84 Scirocco. The one I’m looking it is relatively cheap $8,0000. Now I’m wondering why...

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      11-20-2019 10:45 AM #4
      At the other extreme, I once bought an 84 Scirocco for $75! It needed a distributor.

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      11-20-2019 04:36 PM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by steph746 View Post
      $28,000? Wow. Is that more than what it would have sold for in ‘86? Are Sciroccos collectors items? The main reason I’m interested in it is for nostalgic reasons. This was my first car and I only had it for a couple of years. It was an ‘84 Scirocco. The one I’m looking it is relatively cheap $8,0000. Now I’m wondering why...
      No. As I recall, my brand new 1988 Scirocco 16V stickered for $17,000.00 with sunroof and power windows and mirrors. I got it for $15K in Nov '88.

      That BAT Scirocco is an anomaly but hopefully reflects an upward trend. I think the seller still lost money on the rebuild.


      I would buy the '86 Scirocco if I was in your shoes.

      My '88 has been in and out of storage since 1992 and it has 57K miles on it. Unlike the BAT Scirocco, it has original paint. The fuel system needs to be completely gone through because it sat for too long. It was in another garage until this decade and wasn't started unless I started it. Mice also chewed up wiring under the dashboard.

      I would guess that '86 was only driven a year and change. I would buy it but be prepared to redo the whole fuel system. At this point, the cost to get it going would probably be the same whether it's an 8V or a 1986 1/2 Scirocco 16V.

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    8. 11-20-2019 04:54 PM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by 53PL-50AAA-VW611BAN View Post
      No. As I recall, my brand new 1988 Scirocco 16V stickered for $17,000.00 with sunroof and power windows and mirrors. I got it for $15K in Nov '88.

      That BAT Scirocco is an anomaly but hopefully reflects an upward trend. I think the seller still lost money on the rebuild.


      I would buy the '86 Scirocco if I was in your shoes.

      My '88 has been in and out of storage since 1992 and it has 57K miles on it. Unlike the BAT Scirocco, it has original paint. The fuel system needs to be completely gone through because it sat for too long. It was in another garage until this decade and wasn't started unless I started it. Mice also chewed up wiring under the dashboard.

      I would guess that '86 was only driven a year and change. I would buy it but be prepared to redo the whole fuel system. At this point, the cost to get it going would probably be the same whether it's an 8V or a 1986 1/2 Scirocco 16V.

      -OE
      Thanks for your reply. What does "BAT" mean/stand for? This is a reply from the seller about the condition. They estimate that $2000 would cover all repairs, but I would think more?...

      We put a new battery in the vehicle. There is grease around the strut. There is a possible hole in the exhaust, the oil pan and power steering are both leaking. There is play in the rack as well. Lower part of the dash is falling down on the driver side as well. Driver side door does not open correctly either.

      They don't mention fuel either....


      Does low mileage really matter if so many things need to be repaired anyway? $8000 seems high if so much work needs to be done.

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      11-20-2019 05:28 PM #7
      Sounds like a car with over 100K on the odometer.
      Let's see some pics of the car, then we can discuss.

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      11-20-2019 05:29 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by steph746 View Post
      Thanks for your reply. What does "BAT" mean/stand for? This is a reply from the seller about the condition. They estimate that $2000 would cover all repairs, but I would think more?...

      We put a new battery in the vehicle. There is grease around the strut. There is a possible hole in the exhaust, the oil pan and power steering are both leaking. There is play in the rack as well. Lower part of the dash is falling down on the driver side as well. Driver side door does not open correctly either.

      They don't mention fuel either....


      Does low mileage really matter if so many things need to be repaired anyway? $8000 seems high if so much work needs to be done.
      Bring a Trailer. It's a car auction site. Apparently they bid higher than on eBay.

      I would agree on the cost to get it running if it was just the fuel system. I think you could get new or rebuilt everything fuel related for that. You have to collect it all over time though. I have almost everything for mine but some 16V fuel parts are not reproduced yet.

      The description doesn't sound like a 18,500 mile car unless it was stored outside with the window open. If it has power steering, it's a 16V.

      The door and dashboard are big unknowns.

      Maybe it got hit at 18,500 miles and that's why the door doesn't open and the dash is drooping.

      Sciroccos have 999,999 mile odometers so it would take 1,018,500 miles for the odometer to have rolled over.

      You'd have to go look at it with a Scirocco expert or at least a car buying expert.

      You could buy the '85 with a 16V engine and spare parts in the classifieds but that's a definite project. It's not something a person in a state with annual emissions testing should buy.

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      11-20-2019 08:24 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by steph746 View Post
      Lower part of the dash is falling down on the driver side as well. Driver side door does not open correctly either. [/I]

      They don't mention fuel either....
      Now that I look at this again, they probably mean the cardboard under dash cover is dropping.

      It sounds like somebody was "fixing" something. Everything they are describing could be the result of somebody taking stuff loose and not putting it back.

      I agree with 81MarsRedS. Pictures would help.

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      11-20-2019 10:43 PM #10
      $8000 with all the issues mentioned? Too much.

      You should be able to find a high mileage, running, driving, but still presentable Scirocco for $5000.
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    13. 11-20-2019 11:42 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by Iroczgirl View Post
      $8000 with all the issues mentioned? Too much.

      You should be able to find a high mileage, running, driving, but still presentable Scirocco for $5000.

      I'm also looking at the possibility of a Corrado. I thought that the Corrado would be more of a collector's item. Is there a reason though why it seems to be cheaper?

    14. 11-21-2019 11:00 AM #12
      Supply and demand. Nobody wants a Corrado, even when they were new.

      Just because it's old and rare does not mean it's worth money. Pawn Stars 101.

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      11-21-2019 11:24 AM #13
      18000 miles would definitely up the value IMO but only in the context of "the other things": 100% original paint that presents well, no shady anything, no mechanical problems, no suspicious things as have been noted, etc... Also the fact that it is a "lesser" model Mk2 (not a Mk1 or Mk2 16V) holds back the price. Not that an 8V Mk2 can't be great, just don't overpay for one.

      Agree $8000 is too high. If the car were confirmed legit and totally sorted the price would be OK, still not great.
      It's hard for me to know exactly what these things cost me. I'm guessing a LOT, but I like them, so that's that.

    16. 11-21-2019 12:04 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by Butcher View Post
      Supply and demand. Nobody wants a Corrado, even when they were new.

      Just because it's old and rare does not mean it's worth money. Pawn Stars 101.

      Are Sciroccos more popular because they are a "simpler" car and more parts readily available? If I decided to go the Corrado route, would that be a mistake and I would regret it later on?

    17. 11-21-2019 04:33 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by steph746 View Post
      Are Sciroccos more popular because they are a "simpler" car and more parts readily available? If I decided to go the Corrado route, would that be a mistake and I would regret it later on?
      Parts are definitely NOT readily available for the Scirocco.

      Many are no longer made and if you can find NOS ones you'll likely pay quite a bit. (I just bought a power steering reservoir for 60 dollars... it cost 8 dollars before they became non-existent).

      The question is, do you want a Scirocco or a Corrado?

      I personally never liked the Corrado but you have to decide what car you actually want.

      I got my car for a little under 5k which was a good price. It was all original (still is) but needed quite a bit of work even though it was listed as "needs nothing."

      I've probably spent near that fixing everything that needed to be fixed. Maybe not quite 5k but probably around 3k at least... easy.. and I do my own work so if I had to take it to someone... yikes.

      I wouldn't sell mine for less than probably 8 now. But it's completely up to snuff mechanically, and visually.

      Of course there's always something it seems... right now I'm working on fixing a power steering leak :/

      But I love working on them so I don't mind... gives me something to do

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      11-21-2019 07:50 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by Butcher View Post
      Supply and demand. Nobody wants a Corrado, even when they were new.

      Just because it's old and rare does not mean it's worth money. Pawn Stars 101.
      I did. I wanted a Corrado when they were new. I didn't like some things about the G60 but was waiting for the VR6 to come out.

      The '93 Corrado had everything I wanted in a VW.

      I could have bought a new Corrado SLC VR6 and kept my Scirocco but didn't have the room for both.

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      11-21-2019 08:40 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by steph746 View Post
      Are Sciroccos more popular because they are a "simpler" car and more parts readily available? If I decided to go the Corrado route, would that be a mistake and I would regret it later on?
      Both were built by Karmann and are unique in that no "common" VW exterior or interior parts will fit. The inner door or rear side panels may look similar but are "bespoke". The seats are "bespoke" and pretty much every exterior or interior part is also "bespoke"

      It is very, very, very hard and expensive to find an un-cracked Scirocco II dash.

      A Corrado dash in good shape is easier to find. The '93 and up dashboard insert is very, very, vary hard to find though. Most have been butchered to fit aftermarket radios that sound like crap anyway.

      The Passat dash looks the same as a Corrado dash but nothing fits. It just looks the same. If I remember correctly, even Passat switches don't fit in the Cottado dashboard.

      As far as I know, the Scirocco and Corrado are the only VWs of the 1970s ~ 1990s that have height adjustable front seats.

      The Golf 1 (Rabbit) is built on the Scirocco chassis. I believe a Rabbit carpet will fit a Scirocco but don't quote me on that. You can find aftermarket carpets to fit the Scriocco all day long.

      There is one company that might have come up with a carpet kit for the Corrado. I don't remember if it actually fit. There is a thread about it but I don't remember the outcome. Even though the Corrado is built on the MK2 platform, it's not the same as a typical Golf II.

      Scirocco II tail lights crack easily for some reason and are very, very, very hard to find in good condition. VW Classic Parts seems to make a new batch every few years but if you find some new ones, they are very, very expensive (like close to $700.00). Scirocco 1 tail lights seem easier to find in good or new condition.

      Corrado tail lights are more robust and are dead cheap to find in good condition. They resemble Passat tail lights but are also not the same. Aftermarket companies also made different kinds of "custom" tail lights for Corrados including ones that look like Altima tail lights back when that was all the rage.

      There is no aftermarket company making any tail lights for any Scirocco.

      Koni makes Yellow Sport Shocks and Struts for the Corrado VR6. With Sciroccos you can get the Yellow shocks, but they only make strut inserts for the front.

      The good news is that any VW MK1 suspension will fit a Scirocco. The Scirocco 16V is the only MK1 to come with factory rear disk brakes. The prop valves are very, very, very hard to find for them.

      I prefer the transmission on the Scirocco. I could shift mine up and down without the clutch by matching RPMs. I could not with the cable shifter in my Corrado.

      Later Sciroccos have the intake on the "correct" side. The Golf II and Jetta II have it on the "wrong" side. That only really matters with the 16V because sellers on eBay (and even here) will try to pass off a Golf GTI 16V upper manifold as fitting a Scirocco.

      They are both about as easy to work on. As with any car, they are going to break down.

      It's probably easier to find somebody that can work on the Corrado VR6 because it has Motronic fuel injection. I am just speculating on this.

      It's harder to find a wizard to work on CIS or CIS-E. You are more likely to find a Mercedes or Volvo mechanic to work on our old Sciroccos. I even went to a local Bosch specialist and they couldn't work on my CIS-E.

      Bosch used to advertise that their specialists could use a machine to flush the fuel injection but I had no luck finding anybody that would admit being able to do that in this decade. I did find a VW specialist that would swap everything out but hesitated when asked if they could flush it all out.

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      11-21-2019 11:02 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by steph746 View Post
      I'm also looking at the possibility of a Corrado. I thought that the Corrado would be more of a collector's item. Is there a reason though why it seems to be cheaper?
      Corrado is heavier, more complex, and more expensive to keep on the road than a Scirocco.
      Clean examples are difficult to find. They were the choice of "Mk4 kids" before the Mk4 hit rock bottom prices.
      If I was in the market for a Corrado, I'd import one from Europe.
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      11-22-2019 01:00 AM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by Iroczgirl View Post
      Corrado is heavier, more complex, and more expensive to keep on the road than a Scirocco.
      Clean examples are difficult to find. They were the choice of "Mk4 kids" before the Mk4 hit rock bottom prices.
      If I was in the market for a Corrado, I'd import one from Europe.
      There was a company a few years ago that kept putting good looking Corrados on eBay.

      They also sold them at their high end European used car website. They did look a bit like they had too much Armor-All on everything black but they were all unmolested or restored to original factory specifications. No racer boy stuff or even aftermarket wheels on those Corrados. They did want a King's ransom for them. $20K was a typical asking price.

      Probably 10 years ago there was another seller on eBay that was selling almost perfect Corrados. They looked showroom fresh. The seller kept finding them, fixing them up and putting them on eBay. I think the seller also had a few project Corrados for sale.

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