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      11-20-2019 04:03 PM #1
      Friend of mine is looking at buying a car in the next few days. He's narrowed his choices down to two:

      1:2009 Mini Cooper S Clubman - Private Party - $6300





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      Low mileage - 54,000 miles
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      Pepper white with black roof, black interior

      2: 2013 Audi A3 2.0T Premium FWD - Dealer - $12,200
      78,000 miles
      6spd manual






      What say TCL?
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      11-20-2019 04:06 PM #2
      Well... the Audi of course. But that seems like a lot of coin for a 6/7 year old Golf+.
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      11-20-2019 04:21 PM #3
      In this case, and taking into account the price, probably the Mini. You can do a lot of maintenance for the $6k you're not spending on the Audi, and a lot of big ticket items have already been addressed. That said, if they were closer in price, I'd probably pick the Audi.

    5. 11-20-2019 04:21 PM #4
      I'd take the Mini at half the cost of the A3, which I never really liked.

      For the price of the A3 couldn't you get a GSW or Civic hatch and have similar space with more space or reliability, depending on what your friend is after?
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      11-20-2019 04:23 PM #5
      If I had to pick from those two I'd go with the Mini based on price. If it were me neither of those cars would be on my radar.

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      11-20-2019 04:35 PM #6
      Had a 2012 A3 and enjoyed the car, a bit bigger than the Mini, which might be an advantage. I see the A3 on Cars.com, there is a 2011 A3 with 82.6K mile for $7.6K in CA. But with the price differential, hard to pass on the Mini.

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      11-20-2019 04:37 PM #7
      I'd stay away from the Mini S, and 12k is a ton of a nearly 7 year old golf with a badge. For 12k you could find a decent MK6 GTI or even maybe a MK7 with more miles

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      11-20-2019 04:41 PM #8
      2009 Mini = N14 engine = timing chain/tensioner will explode. Trash.

      2013 A3 = 2.0T with upgraded tensioner = timing chain/tensioner less likely to explode. Not as trash.

      So, out of those two? A3.
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      11-20-2019 04:52 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by VadGTI View Post
      2009 Mini = N14 engine = timing chain/tensioner will explode. Trash.

      2013 A3 = 2.0T with upgraded tensioner = timing chain/tensioner less likely to explode. Not as trash.

      So, out of those two? A3.
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      11-20-2019 04:53 PM #10
      What's his driving like? Lots of highway? Lots of city? Not much driving anyway? A Mk6 GTI can be had for less, and any 2008+ BMW/Mini and VW/Audi has a 12 year rust warranty. So depending on where he lives, he can buy a rusty example, and let that work its magic for some extra $ change if he has another vehicle for a couple weeks.

      What about an older MazdaSpeed3? I don't know what the price looks like on those though, and they were shockingly prone to rust.
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      11-20-2019 04:53 PM #11
      If you had ~$10k and wanted a manual, reasonably fun, decent MPG, FWD/AWD... what would you look at? Hatchback is preferable.

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      11-20-2019 04:55 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by Colty_CM View Post
      What's his driving like? Lots of highway? Lots of city? Not much driving anyway? A Mk6 GTI can be had for less, and any 2008+ BMW/Mini and VW/Audi has a 12 year rust warranty. So depending on where he lives, he can buy a rusty example, and let that work its magic for some extra $ change if he has another vehicle for a couple weeks.

      What about an older MazdaSpeed3? I don't know what the price looks like on those though, and they were shockingly prone to rust.
      Mostly city, and we're both in Minneapolis.

      The only problem he's finding with GTIs is that the majority are automatics.

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      11-20-2019 05:07 PM #13
      2013 GTI 2 door (manual, red)

      https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...&CMP=atempest2

      Only one I could find within 100mi of 55413 (NE Minneapols Zip code - Also, howdy neighbors!
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      11-20-2019 05:09 PM #14
      I think we all agree the Mini is the better deal. I would be very concerned about the future reliability.

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      11-20-2019 05:09 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by Colty_CM View Post
      2013 GTI 2 door (manual, red)

      https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...&CMP=atempest2

      Only one I could find within 100mi of 55413 (NE Minneapols Zip code - Also, howdy neighbors!
      Oooh, good catch! Just fwd'd it over to him. Thanks!


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      11-20-2019 05:13 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by TequilaMockingbird View Post
      Mostly city, and we're both in Minneapolis.

      The only problem he's finding with GTIs is that the majority are automatics.
      Have you checked the classifieds on here? and golfmk6/golfmk7 forums?

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      11-20-2019 05:16 PM #17
      Both will need a walnut blasting by now.
      Can I vote neither?
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      11-20-2019 05:17 PM #18
      OP has your friend sat in both already? The fit and finish of the interior on the audi or vw will be miles ahead of the mini as well.

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      11-20-2019 05:18 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by absoluteczech View Post
      Have you checked the classifieds on here? and golfmk6/golfmk7 forums?
      Took a glance through but nothing recent in the area.

      Quote Originally Posted by johnny_p View Post
      Both will need a walnut blasting by now.
      Can I vote neither?
      You can!

      What would you suggest? Manual, ~$10k or less, fun and decent MPGs?

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      11-20-2019 05:19 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by absoluteczech View Post
      OP has your friend sat in both already? The fit and finish of the interior on the audi or vw will be miles ahead of the mini as well.
      Not yet, the need for a car came on somewhat suddenly so we're pulling together a list. Fit 'n finish -- noted

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      11-20-2019 05:20 PM #21
      Are first gen focus st's that low yet?

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      11-20-2019 05:22 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by absoluteczech View Post
      Are first gen focus st's that low yet?
      Getting close, but not quite. There's on in Mpls for $14k with a salvage title... ugh.

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      11-20-2019 05:24 PM #23
      door requirements? space? Like is a Miata out of the question or a 2dr coupe ?

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      11-20-2019 05:26 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by absoluteczech View Post
      Are first gen focus st's that low yet?
      My buddy has a 2018 ST. He also has a 2010 Jetta Limited. The ST is probably at 300whp with the mods he's done. It's strikingly fast.

      That being said... the interior isn't great. It's a Ford. The seats are good, but nothing else is. The brakes are stabby and the visibility is downright bad. The earlier ST's are even worse for interior. He says that he'd have gotten a GTI instead of an ST if it was between a GTI and an older ST.

      That's just his and my thoughts, but definitely something a car to consider.
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      11-20-2019 05:27 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by TequilaMockingbird View Post
      If you had ~$10k and wanted a manual, reasonably fun, decent MPG, FWD/AWD... what would you look at? Hatchback is preferable.
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