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      11-23-2019 09:05 PM #76
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      Pretty much.

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      11-23-2019 10:29 PM #77
      Quote Originally Posted by Steavis View Post
      I agree - Even in the USA, Cali thinks they know better than the Feds and now a manufacturer has to make two versions for the same country.

      In computers, we embrace technology, yet when it comes to cars, govt will bollix it up.
      Quote Originally Posted by AZGolf View Post
      I didn't even think of that, but you're right. When the feds this year tried to end California's exemption, California retaliated against everyone they could, threatening lawmakers, the president, federal officials, and even banning automakers from selling their cars to any governmental bodies in the state unless California gets their way. I get that CA is 1/8th the population, but the very reason why the USA is a republic and not a direct democracy is to stop a single state or small number of states from just forcing their will upon the rest of the nation. It's working as designed and yet that's not popular with the minority that want to force their will upon the rest of us. Undoubtedly this is a great thing for the peace and prosperity of the nation and future stability.
      That is usually the exception, not the rule. CARB state represent a big enough chunk of the country that most manufacturers simply make 50 state compliant vehicles.

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      11-24-2019 04:44 AM #78
      but hey.. at least you can change the tire sizes your car has on it without having to run down and register it with the authorities..

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      11-24-2019 09:00 AM #79
      Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
      Strict rules for new cars, yet I am free to bring in any 25 yr old Communist era death trap, no problem.
      i find it funny to read things like this in the land of jacked up 2500kg++ pickups, where you subject everyone on the road to your choices, as opposed to your 30 year old "death trap" compact where you only subject yourself (and passengers who choose to ride along) to your choices.

      You should be able to import any car you choose as long as your bumper height is below the legal limit. (I mean come on, for the number of personally imported cars out there...)

      I find it weird af how one can't simply import a Focus ST wagon if they choose to.
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      11-24-2019 09:26 AM #80
      Quote Originally Posted by worth_fixing View Post

      I find it weird af how one can't simply import a Focus ST wagon if they choose to.
      You can, there is a process to legally do it. There are 100s of cars on the approved list.

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      11-24-2019 09:42 AM #81
      Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
      Strict rules for new cars, yet I am free to bring in any 25 yr old Communist era death trap, no problem.
      We don't want people to be driving around unsafe. Safety is of utmost priority and everything from airbags to rear cameras must be federally mandated in a zero-tolerance manner in order to protect our citizens from harm. People can't be allowed to ride around on unsafe deathtraps, risking their own lives. I think that's a consistent standard that everyone should be able to get behind.


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      11-24-2019 10:00 AM #82
      Quote Originally Posted by chris86vw View Post
      You can, there is a process to legally do it. There are 100s of cars on the approved list.
      um, maybe you're teaching me something here, but isn't there a 25 year wait time for the USA, 15 year for Canada?

      ...unless you pay to crash-test, emissions test and apply a very thick book of motor vehicle requirements?

      edit: i think you're referring to a car which has an equivalency here, such as a Honda Accord sedan with a 2.0T. I think body and drivetrain need to be identical otherwise they need the crash and emissions approval on top of the thick book of requirements applied...in which case one would just get the Canadian/American one at the dealer for far cheaper.
      Last edited by worth_fixing; 11-24-2019 at 10:03 AM.
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      11-24-2019 10:21 AM #83
      Quote Originally Posted by worth_fixing View Post
      um, maybe you're teaching me something here, but isn't there a 25 year wait time for the USA, 15 year for Canada?

      ...unless you pay to crash-test, emissions test and apply a very thick book of motor vehicle requirements?

      edit: i think you're referring to a car which has an equivalency here, such as a Honda Accord sedan with a 2.0T. I think body and drivetrain need to be identical otherwise they need the crash and emissions approval on top of the thick book of requirements applied...in which case one would just get the Canadian/American one at the dealer for far cheaper.

      No body and drivetrain do not need to be the same. The list is full of coupes wagons convertibles etc that we didn't get with engines and drivetrains we didn't get.

      Canadians apparently really need to get up to speed on all the US laws they want changed..

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      11-24-2019 10:27 AM #84
      Quote Originally Posted by chris86vw View Post
      No body and drivetrain do not need to be the same. The list is full of coupes wagons convertibles etc that we didn't get with engines and drivetrains we didn't get.

      Canadians apparently really need to get up to speed on all the US laws they want changed..
      lol don't need to be condescending about it. pretty sure I'm not wrong as there's a good reason why I haven't seen a single less-than-15 year old car here, other than imported by a diplomat.
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      11-24-2019 10:55 AM #85
      Quote Originally Posted by worth_fixing View Post
      lol don't need to be condescending about it. pretty sure I'm not wrong as there's a good reason why I haven't seen a single less-than-15 year old car here, other than imported by a diplomat.
      This thread is about US regulations, if your country has different ones that prevent you from seeing the cars then maybe you should start one to discuss.

      See recent Doug demuro g wagon video where he bought and imported g500 convertible, which didn't have to be crashed tested etc. It was actually approved despite the fact that it did not conform the to substantially similar requirement.

      If we go back to previous pages where I discussed self certification, that's all the importedr did. They said this vehicle has xyz we'll fix abc before releasing it and they said ok.


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      11-24-2019 11:51 AM #86
      Quote Originally Posted by worth_fixing View Post
      i find it funny to read things like this in the land of jacked up 2500kg++ pickups, where you subject everyone on the road to your choices, ...
      Quote Originally Posted by worth_fixing View Post
      lol don't need to be condescending about it. ...
      The irony here...
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      Back when making your car faster and better handling was the big thing.
      Quote Originally Posted by Tavarish
      The car's best safety feature includes ejecting you in the moment of impact and wishing you the best of luck.
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      11-24-2019 11:52 AM #87
      Quote Originally Posted by Fined View Post
      but hey.. at least you can change the tire sizes your car has on it without having to run down and register it with the authorities..
      Yeah like how it's done with TUV in Germany.

      (Looks at your location, oops sorry...)
      Quote Originally Posted by Mk1Madness
      Back when making your car faster and better handling was the big thing.
      Quote Originally Posted by Tavarish
      The car's best safety feature includes ejecting you in the moment of impact and wishing you the best of luck.
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      11-24-2019 12:14 PM #88
      Quote Originally Posted by LT1M21Stingray View Post
      The irony here...
      not sure I see it. I wasn't being condescending at all about the jacked up truck thing. If you get into an accident, others are subjected to a m7ch higher weight and dangerous bumper height. That's just the way it is.
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      11-26-2019 06:31 PM #89
      Quote Originally Posted by IridiumB6 View Post

      Matrix dynamic LED headlamps? Whoa! Witchcraft!
      Technically some US Audi models (prestige trim A6, A7, Q8 and all A8) and Porsche models (stand alone option on many including cayenne, panamera, 911) have "Matrix style headlights" which do have matrix lighting functionality- it is just decoded. If you have VCDS you can quickly flip the switch so to speak. And dealers already have TSBs to activate the functionality for free when the regulations inevitably change- I am sure VAG is lobbying for it as we speak.

      I even coded Dynamic Light Assist on my Arteon which is like a pseudo matrix lighting system in which the main beams move around and can independently turn on their high beam to extend around traffic unlike the from-the-factory "light assist" which just turns on/off both high beams, like every other car on the market. See the video below (starts at 1:50):





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