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      32 25.40%
    • Chevy Camaro ZL1

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    Thread: Choose your new Performance Car: $70K Manual Transmission edition

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      11-26-2019 01:45 PM #51
      Quote Originally Posted by Elite_Deforce View Post
      The 370Z can run with perhaps the Porsche. Everything else on this list will eat it.
      It's also $25K cheaper.

      Just sayin'.
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      11-26-2019 01:47 PM #52
      Quote Originally Posted by chuckster1 View Post
      It's also $25K cheaper.

      Just sayin'.
      Looks/feels like it, too.

      Just sayin'.
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      11-26-2019 01:48 PM #53
      Quote Originally Posted by The_Real_Stack View Post
      Complains about quality in other cars, suggests BMW.
      The M2 has the best M engine in terms of quality. A lot of press people have beat on it at tracks events and came away very impressed. I think BMW QC certainly slipped in the past but from everything I have read the M2 is good to go...time will tell, of course.
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      11-26-2019 01:50 PM #54
      Quote Originally Posted by Cabin Pics View Post
      Looks/feels like it, too.

      Just sayin'.
      Right. That VQ engine is garbage. No wonder they've had it around for 10 years...
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      11-26-2019 01:55 PM #55
      Quote Originally Posted by chuckster1 View Post
      Right. That VQ engine is garbage. No wonder they've had it around for 25 years...
      I didn't say anything about the motor. I said the fit and finish of the 370z feels dated, and cheaper than many of the other cars on the list.

      But if the engine is current topic, I don't care for it. It's rough, noisy, and just not very pleasant to me. There are people that love it though, so good for them.
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      11-26-2019 02:03 PM #56
      Quote Originally Posted by Sonderwunsch View Post
      It was new at some point and would be new to me.


      x997



      This would be my answer also, assuming you just get the $70k. Definitely want to get Sport PASM with LSD included. I can't think of a better way to spend $70k on a sports car. I'm obviously as biased as you can get.
      I voted M2 Comp, but I don't actually see myself buying a new BMW at all, and don't think the M2 (in any guise) is something I'd pay more than $50k for. Sweet car, definitely. But all things considered..

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      11-26-2019 02:15 PM #57
      Quote Originally Posted by chuckster1 View Post
      The M2 has the best M engine in terms of quality. A lot of press people have beat on it at tracks events and came away very impressed. I think BMW QC certainly slipped in the past but from everything I have read the M2 is good to go...time will tell, of course.
      It's not necessarily the engine I'd be worried about, it's all the other crap hanging off of it.
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      My wife wanted a SUV with a manual transmission. I suggested a Wrangler, she said no way, too masculine

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      11-26-2019 02:32 PM #58
      Quote Originally Posted by chuckster1 View Post
      Right. That VQ engine is garbage. No wonder they've had it around for 10 years...
      That clatterbox of an engine is pretty awful imho..

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      11-26-2019 02:43 PM #59
      I rather get a Honda Civic Type R + Mazda MX-5 30th Anniversary



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      Most of the cars in the list don't really have a better manual transmission than these 2 "little cars"
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      11-26-2019 04:02 PM #60
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      11-26-2019 04:04 PM #61
      Quote Originally Posted by Canaletto View Post
      I would probably take a Nissan 370Z Nismo over any of those (except for maaaaaaaybe the Mustang--'Stangs are so darn big, though...).

      Even as a resident FM fanboi I don't think this is it. Sport trim + mods is the only way to Z

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      11-26-2019 04:05 PM #62
      i already voted with my wallet, give the choice i would do it all over again unless that 911 GT3 is down to 70K now.
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      11-26-2019 05:51 PM #63
      EKaru, this is a good thread but your poll sucks

      I want to vote BRZ, because when I bought that car I became one of the very few people to buy a brand new manual car in 2018. But, it's not on the poll.

      Alright, so I'll vote Miata. Not on the poll?? Fine, I'll go Civic Type R. Not on the poll either..? Okay well if I'm going FWD hot hatch I'll pick my other favorite, the GTI. Strike four!

      Quote Originally Posted by Fined View Post
      This would be my answer also, assuming you just get the $70k. Definitely want to get Sport PASM with LSD included. I can't think of a better way to spend $70k on a sports car. I'm obviously as biased as you can get.
      Hey, I'm a 997 fanboi too, but that is not at all what this thread is about

      There are plenty of "what would you buy for $X" discussions out there. I think limiting it only to brand new three-pedal sports cars makes this thread much more interesting--and large part of that is because you can't just go through the automotive greatest hits and pick your favorite

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      11-26-2019 05:51 PM #64
      Quote Originally Posted by chuckster1 View Post
      Right. That VQ engine is garbage. No wonder they've had it around for 10 years...
      Quote Originally Posted by EKaru View Post
      That clatterbox of an engine is pretty awful imho..
      The engine really just needs the right exhaust.


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      11-26-2019 06:00 PM #65
      Quote Originally Posted by hushypushy View Post
      EKaru, this is a good thread but your poll sucks

      I want to vote BRZ, because when I bought that car I became one of the very few people to buy a brand new manual car in 2018. But, it's not on the poll.

      Alright, so I'll vote Miata. Not on the poll?? Fine, I'll go Civic Type R. Not on the poll either..? Okay well if I'm going FWD hot hatch I'll pick my other favorite, the GTI. Strike four!
      Happy to do another poll with those other cars

    17. 11-26-2019 06:14 PM #66
      Cayman S, but in reality, it'd be a down payment on the cleanest, best spec 997 GT3 I could find.

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      11-26-2019 09:56 PM #67
      Quote Originally Posted by EKaru View Post
      huh?
      I've never taken a car to the track... this is just a random poll
      Wasn't sure if this was a "recommend me a 70K manual car" kind of poll or not.

      It's an important factor since some of these cars are much more geared towards track use than street use and vice versa. The GT350 is probably one of the most glorious cars I've gotten the opportunity to rip at the track, but for it's price point I'm not sure I could recommend it for street only. It's still a mustang, and it comes with it's fair share of build quality quirks and a lot of hard plastics inside.

      If it were my money though, I would go for some much cheaper but arguably more fun options. ND2 Miata, BRZ, CTR, Veloster N etc.
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      11-27-2019 10:13 AM #68
      2021 Corvette Z51, I'll wait

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      11-27-2019 12:41 PM #69
      The latest Evoras are fantastic.

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      11-27-2019 01:51 PM #70
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      11-27-2019 03:53 PM #71
      Quote Originally Posted by Canaletto View Post
      The engine really just needs the right exhaust.

      Totally agree. I was being sarcastic in my comments. I own a VQ with a truck attached to it.

      AAM makes really nice straight pipes for the 370Z for less than $550 I think. Opens up the sound way better than stock.

      Don't understand the hate for the Z. The Nismo version is quite nice IMO. The Recaro seats are fantastic, plus an extra 18 HP. With some simple bolt-ons and tune you can easily get 380 HP at the crank.
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      11-27-2019 03:57 PM #72
      Quote Originally Posted by BltByKrmn View Post
      2021 Corvette Z51, I'll wait
      For what? It to transform into a manual?

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      11-27-2019 04:24 PM #73
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      It wasn't just about the top of the dash. Or stroking it. It was just the overall feel inside the cabin. Everything was fine until you looked at the dashboard.

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      11-27-2019 04:31 PM #74
      Quote Originally Posted by mj8807 View Post
      For what? It to transform into a manual?

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      11-27-2019 05:13 PM #75
      Quote Originally Posted by BltByKrmn View Post
      I want to respond with something snarky, but I can't cause you're right in that I didn't follow the directions.
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