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      11-26-2019 03:39 PM #1
      I'm a broken record around here.

      I post too many times in too many threads about how I can't stand screens and nonphysical buttons. Instead, here's a thread that seeks to accomplish just the opposite.

      Personally, I've always loved the 70s-80s 911 defrost levers, every time I've pulled one up I expect to get ejected shortly thereafter, but it hasn't happened yet.



      What else?

      EDIT: I think we've already had a gauge and manual shift knob thread, so this is for all the other items.
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      11-26-2019 03:45 PM #2
      Always my favorite, the typewriter transmissions many domestic car makers used in the 50s and 60s!




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      11-26-2019 03:49 PM #3
      Quote Originally Posted by CostcoPizza View Post
      I'm a broken record around here.

      I post too many times in too many threads about how I can't stand screens and nonphysical buttons. Instead, here's a thread that seeks to accomplish just the opposite.

      Personally, I've always loved the 70s-80s 911 defrost levers, every time I've pulled one up I expect to get ejected shortly thereafter, but it hasn't happened yet.



      What else?

      EDIT: I think we've already had a gauge and shifter thread, so this is for all the other items.
      Mom's 77' Super Beetle has similar levers, have not been ejected either. That's all I've got.

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    4. 11-26-2019 03:54 PM #4


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    5. 11-26-2019 09:48 PM #5
      I’m constantly ranting to anyone who will listen about the stupidity of touch screens in cars. It’s a tool, so should have physical controls.


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      11-26-2019 10:10 PM #6
      OP, I take your point about the value of tactile user input..but would you really rather have the sea of buttons below?

      My point is, it's easy to look back to when there were very few inputs into the user interface, so the UI could be very simple. But the complexity of the modern car means there are a lot more functions to account for in the UI. And that's were the contextual sensitivity of a configurable touch screen becomes very valuable.


    7. 11-26-2019 11:22 PM #7
      Nothing beats the huge LIGHT button in 1999-2004 Honda Odysseys(I d imagine they kept this around) every time i get into another car and drop something on the floor I reach for the button that doesn't exist. Great simple engineering




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      11-27-2019 09:34 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by StressStrain View Post
      OP, I take your point about the value of tactile user input..but would you really rather have the sea of buttons below?

      My point is, it's easy to look back to when there were very few inputs into the user interface, so the UI could be very simple. But the complexity of the modern car means there are a lot more functions to account for in the UI. And that's were the contextual sensitivity of a configurable touch screen becomes very valuable.

      Agreed. I’ll take a touch screen over a sea of 90s era buttons every day.

      I don’t currently own one, but I think Dodge/Ram/Chrysler does the best job of mixing the U-Connect and real buttons.


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    9. 11-27-2019 09:50 PM #9
      but that sea of buttons is tactile - muscle memory will solve it eventually, even if it's kind of icky to look at.
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      11-27-2019 10:10 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by fortyfive1911a1 View Post
      Agreed. I’ll take a touch screen over a sea of 90s era buttons every day.
      The key is to not try and fit an entire RadioShack into the dashboard, though that's certainly not going to sell many cars anymore.

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      11-28-2019 12:13 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by fortyfive1911a1 View Post
      Agreed. I’ll take a touch screen over a sea of 90s era buttons every day.

      I don’t currently own one, but I think Dodge/Ram/Chrysler does the best job of mixing the U-Connect and real buttons.
      The entire point of tactile buttons and knobs over touch screens is to make it as close to intuitive as possible and to find tertiary controls quickly. The “sea of buttons” in so many cars of that era are dismal failures in the regard and should in no way be considered a yardstick.
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      11-26-2019 10:15 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by phatrs View Post
      I’m constantly ranting to anyone who will listen about the stupidity of touch screens in cars. It’s a tool, so should have physical controls.
      Does your computer, tablet, or phone have physical controls?

      Remember there was a time when your phone did...when it acted solely as a phone.

    13. 11-27-2019 07:16 AM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by StressStrain View Post
      Does your computer, tablet, or phone have physical controls?

      Remember there was a time when your phone did...when it acted solely as a phone.
      I don't care about using the screen to access esoteric, one-time setup type things.

      But the five functions you need access to while driving, should be controlled by physical controls.

      As for your screen comment, my GTI lets me use the tuning button to move around Android Auto. That's an absolute godsend, because trying to use a phone type screen while driving is impossible AND irresponsibly dangerous.

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      11-26-2019 10:30 PM #14
      These guys were famously asked about buttons too.


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      11-26-2019 11:19 PM #15
      I never knew how cool the mk1 TT heated seat knobs were until recently, so I'm going with that for now:


      (you push the whole thing in like a button and the knob extends out so you can adjust the heating level)

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      11-27-2019 01:53 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by zmt2 View Post
      I never knew how cool the mk1 TT heated seat knobs were until recently, so I'm going with that for now:


      (you push the whole thing in like a button and the knob extends out so you can adjust the heating level)
      Never spent much time in an OG TT-- I dig that.

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      11-27-2019 07:39 AM #17
      I've always loved the simplicity of the VW Mk2 rocker switches.

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      11-27-2019 08:16 AM #18
      It's good to see that Jeep didn't bury the locker and sway bar disco buttons in the headunit for the JL/JT. It would have been a major pain in the ass for Brayden or Jayden to find the off road page option in the mall parking lot with a Sbux latte in one hand and a phone in the other.

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      11-27-2019 09:14 AM #19
      Mini Cooper's toggle switches are awesome.

      As far as screens are concerned, I think voice command will quickly replace having to physically touch screens.

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      11-27-2019 09:18 AM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by whitejeep1989 View Post
      As far as screens are concerned, I think voice command will quickly replace having to physically touch screens.
      That's even worse. Something about talking to robots that makes me uncomfortable.

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      11-27-2019 09:25 AM #21
      I used to have this toggle switch setup in my Miata. Most of them were just unused accessory switches. But I still loved playing with them like a fidget device.






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      11-27-2019 10:44 AM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by r_fostoria View Post
      That's even worse. Something about talking to robots that makes me uncomfortable.
      No way. Siri is my girl.

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      11-27-2019 11:43 AM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by UncleJB View Post
      I've always loved the simplicity of the VW Mk2 rocker switches.
      Agreed! A very satisfying click too.
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      11-27-2019 11:49 AM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by abacabdan View Post
      Agreed! A very satisfying click too.
      Ooo, yes. Audi used similar buttons back then but with an excellent "lots of tiny little bumps" texture.




    25. 11-27-2019 02:16 PM #25
      Did the Porsche Experience at Limerock a couple months ago and tracked the 992 4S. Couldn't get over how these felt...


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