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    1. 06-10-2020 08:49 PM #26
      "In-hub electric motors"

      That, to me, means "nope". There's valid reasons that everyone, including Tesla and Rivian, uses a fast-spinning chassis-mounted motor through a gear-reduction to drive the wheels through shafts.

      The more I see of these start-ups, the more I like the Rivian ...

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      06-10-2020 09:06 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by GoFaster View Post
      "In-hub electric motors"

      That, to me, means "nope". There's valid reasons that everyone, including Tesla and Rivian, uses a fast-spinning chassis-mounted motor through a gear-reduction to drive the wheels through shafts.

      The more I see of these start-ups, the more I like the Rivian ...
      It seems like an especially odd choice for a truck, since they are more likely to see abusive use where those in-wheel motors are rattled to death so much more quickly than neighborhood/highway used EV sedans.

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      06-10-2020 09:39 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by whitejeep1989 View Post
      GM basically had to pay Workhorse to buy their old Lordstown plant (30 million?).
      Workhorse then decided to brand this new venture Lordstown Motors. That seems like a CYA move, to protect Workhorse when/if Lordstown goes poof.
      This all seems like an elaborate PR move on the part of GM and Workhorse.
      I agree. And it makes Trump look good.
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      06-11-2020 09:15 AM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by Iroczgirl View Post
      I agree. And it makes Trump look good.
      I intentionally left that part out...
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      06-25-2020 02:39 PM #30
      https://www.autoblog.com/2020/06/25/...al-livestream/

      The production version has debuted.
      I hope it works out, for the former GM factory workers, but man this whole thing feels suspect.

      Steve Burns, LMC CEO claimed that this truck will have the best traction of any other truck out there and handles "like a sports car." Lordstown is using an in-wheel motor design, but it's not quite ready to talk specs yet. We know it'll have a motor at each wheel, but the truck's final range, acceleration and power figures are still unknown.

      The premiere event was livestreamed on the company’s YouTube channel.

    7. 06-25-2020 02:46 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by whitejeep1989 View Post
      https://www.autoblog.com/2020/06/25/...al-livestream/

      The production version has debuted.
      I hope it works out, for the former GM factory workers, but man this whole thing feels suspect.
      If it were something I could buy at a GM/Chevy, Ford, Ram, or Toyota dealership it could be interesting. But from a startup without real dealerships, this isn't for your average Joe. This is primarily for fleet service where they have their own garages and mechanics.
      Americans hate EVs because they grew up with Power Wheels that were glacially slow, ran out of power in 20 minutes and took an entire day to recharge.

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      06-25-2020 02:53 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by spockcat View Post
      If it were something I could buy at a GM/Chevy, Ford, Ram, or Toyota dealership it could be interesting. But from a startup without real dealerships, this isn't for your average Joe. This is primarily for fleet service where they have their own garages and mechanics.
      I'm sure Ford is busy cancelling the planned F-150 reveal for tonight!

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      06-25-2020 03:20 PM #33
      I happened to be awake early this morning, so I tuned in for the Livestream unveiling

      https://youtu.be/39y5FNxvHgk

      Holy crap, it had to be the absolute worst presentation of any thing I have seen in years. They spent like 20 minutes patting themselves on the back, then showed some low effort terrible production value videos, where they showed dirty old looking equipment.

      Then instead of even talking about the truck they turned it over to Mike Pence to do a half hour campaign speach.

      I was excited for this before, but I am pretty convinced that this is all vaporware after today. These guys don't seem to have the chops to put together a presentation let alone disrupt the auto industry.

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      The truck also looks like it is a Saturn pickup design concept.
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      06-25-2020 03:50 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by HI SPEED View Post
      I happened to be awake early this morning, so I tuned in for the Livestream unveiling

      https://youtu.be/39y5FNxvHgk

      Holy crap, it had to be the absolute worst presentation of any thing I have seen in years. They spent like 20 minutes patting themselves on the back, then showed some low effort terrible production value videos, where they showed dirty old looking equipment.

      Then instead of even talking about the truck they turned it over to Mike Pence to do a half hour campaign speach.

      I was excited for this before, but I am pretty convinced that this is all vaporware after today. These guys don't seem to have the chops to put together a presentation let alone disrupt the auto industry.

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      The truck also looks like it is a Saturn pickup design concept.
      It definitely reminds me of the headlights on the original Saturn CUV!

      The production values of the video and promotional materials seem underfunded and subpar. This is not a company that's ready to chase Ford, let alone Tesla or Rivian.
      Mike Pence spent more time talking about Trump than they ever spend on talking about the truck.
      It feels like this reveal was timed for political reasons and has nothing to do with the truck actually being ready to be shared with the public.

      As I have said before, I hope this all works out, if for no other reason than to expand the acceptance of EVs from the coasts into the heartland.
      If EVs and EV-related jobs become a non-partisan issue, then we all win.
      If states with GOP congressmen and governors finally get on the EV train, that makes pro-EV legislation much easier to pass.
      Last edited by whitejeep1989; 06-25-2020 at 04:01 PM.

    11. 06-25-2020 04:18 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by HI SPEED View Post
      https://youtu.be/39y5FNxvHgk

      Then instead of even talking about the truck they turned it over to Mike Pence to do a half hour campaign speach.
      OMG. I thought you were joking at first. Two gray haired guys. HI SPEED has to be joking. Then Pence showed up.
      Americans hate EVs because they grew up with Power Wheels that were glacially slow, ran out of power in 20 minutes and took an entire day to recharge.

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      06-25-2020 04:50 PM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by spockcat View Post
      OMG. I thought you were joking at first. Two gray haired guys. HI SPEED has to be joking. Then Pence showed up.
      Mike "Deus Volt" Pence? I wonder why Mike "Ohm my god" Pence would attend an electric truck unveil .
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    13. 06-25-2020 05:25 PM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by whitejeep1989 View Post
      Mike Pence spent more time talking about Trump than they ever spend on talking about the truck.
      It feels like this reveal was timed for political reasons and has nothing to do with the truck actually being ready to be shared with the public.

      As I have said before, I hope this all works out, if for no other reason than to expand the acceptance of EVs from the coasts into the heartland.
      If EVs and EV-related jobs become a non-partisan issue, then we all win.
      If states with GOP congressmen and governors finally get on the EV train, that makes pro-EV legislation much easier to pass.
      But if/once Trump wins re-election, he will slash all EV funding because you can't drive an EV when the wind doesn't blow or you will get cancer and kill all the birds.
      Americans hate EVs because they grew up with Power Wheels that were glacially slow, ran out of power in 20 minutes and took an entire day to recharge.

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      06-25-2020 06:43 PM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by 88c900t View Post
      Mike "Deus Volt" Pence? I wonder why Mike "Ohm my god" Pence would attend an electric truck unveil .
      He probably heard there were some transgender folks needing to be oppressed in the factory.
      That’s his jam.

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      06-25-2020 07:23 PM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by spockcat View Post
      OMG. I thought you were joking at first. Two gray haired guys. HI SPEED has to be joking. Then Pence showed up.
      Same. I thought it couldn't be that bad, then it was.

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      06-25-2020 07:29 PM #40
      Is this based on a GM platform? The cab design looks very GM, imo.
      signatures are annoying, right?

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      06-26-2020 08:10 PM #41
      This thing looks ridiculous and Im predicting sales will be in the hundreds.

    18. 06-26-2020 09:17 PM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by A.Wilder View Post
      Is this based on a GM platform? The cab design looks very GM, imo.
      Very different underneath because of the battery and drivetrain differences. Styling just looks generic-pickup-truck. That being said, it would not surprise me if they are re-using part numbers from other vehicles for minor components ... it only makes sense at this point. There's no need to re-engineer door latches, or HVAC parts, etc.

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      06-27-2020 02:48 AM #43
      Quote Originally Posted by AZGolf View Post
      It seems like an especially odd choice for a truck, since they are more likely to see abusive use where those in-wheel motors are rattled to death so much more quickly than neighborhood/highway used EV sedans.
      Changing a flat is going to suck, no?

    20. 06-27-2020 09:08 AM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by whitejeep1989 View Post
      Changing a flat is going to suck, no?
      No different than changing a normal wheel. The drive motors are integrated into the hub/brake assemblies, and the wheel is bolted to that, just like a normal wheel is bolted to a normal hub and brake rotor. The ability to change a flat tire is the least of the headaches with in-hub motors.

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      06-27-2020 10:05 AM #45
      Quote Originally Posted by A.Wilder View Post
      Is this based on a GM platform? The cab design looks very GM, imo.
      They mentioned that the bed was designed to accept accessories from “an existing design”, so it wouldn’t surprise me if it is in fact reusing some parts.

      Quote Originally Posted by whitejeep1989 View Post
      The production values of the video and promotional materials seem underfunded and subpar. This is not a company that's ready to chase Ford, let alone Tesla or Rivian.
      Mike Pence spent more time talking about Trump than they ever spend on talking about the truck.
      It feels like this reveal was timed for political reasons and has nothing to do with the truck actually being ready to be shared with the public.

      As I have said before, I hope this all works out, if for no other reason than to expand the acceptance of EVs from the coasts into the heartland.
      If EVs and EV-related jobs become a non-partisan issue, then we all win.
      If states with GOP congressmen and governors finally get on the EV train, that makes pro-EV legislation much easier to pass.
      Agreed on all counts. I don’t want EVs to become a political “issue” like face masks, and a truck like this gives folks who would never buy Tesla something to consider.

      But count me among those who are skeptical this truck will actually make it to full scale production.

    22. 06-27-2020 10:35 AM #46
      The electric version of the Ford F150 wasn't revealed in Ford's introductory event, but we know it is on the way in another year or two. Any off-brand up-starts who aren't well established by then, are going to be obliterated in the marketplace.

      Rivian start of production has been delayed until sometime in 2021, which isn't a surprise ... they may *just* make it in time. Ford has an investment in Rivian anyhow. And then there is the Amazon involvement. And I know who is building the tooling for the body shop in that plant. It's in the works - just delayed because of covid-19.

      Workhorse/Lordstown? Forget it. If nothing else, I predict that the hub-mounted motors are going to be trouble. There are reasons why no one serious is doing it that way.

      Atlis? Haven't heard much about them in a while. That one was vaporware at best.

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      06-27-2020 06:42 PM #47
      Well, it's ugly as sin, so it has that going for it.
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      07-31-2020 06:13 PM #49
      "But above all, Indoors" at 0:41.

      Maybe hire a voice actor who isn't eating a bunch of marbles next time.
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      08-01-2020 12:01 AM #50
      Quote Originally Posted by GoFaster View Post
      If nothing else, I predict that the hub-mounted motors are going to be trouble. There are reasons why no one serious is doing it that way.
      Hub-mounted accelerometer data from a drive around "normal" ****ty streets will make strong engineers faint.

      That environment is going to beat those motors to death, to say nothing of the needs to have articulating HV cabling, LV sensor wires, and coolant tubes running to each one.

      And if they build them beefy and durable enough to survive that punishment they're going to slaughter their efficiency, not to mention bump handling and ride quality in the suspension.

      I completely missed that this truck was hub-motored the first time around. Barf.
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