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      12-05-2019 11:58 AM #326
      Quote Originally Posted by Mike! View Post
      Also, you posted a map based on 2009 grid carbon intensity. This is 2016, and the grid has been greening further since with the continued decline in coal and increase in renewables,
      Coal is the easiest one for me to look up, it made up 44.4% of the grid's net generation in 2009, down from its peak of 52.8% in 1997 to just 27.4% in 2018 and so far only 23.9% in 2019. We're very much on track to have eliminated coal from the national power grid by 2030, if not sooner. California has a legal mandate to go 100% renewable energy by 2045, which is just 25 years from now and California is 1/8th of the US population and an even bigger share of GDP. Importantly, they are forging the method by which all other states and nations can look to as an example for migrating their own generation to renewable sources.

      With cars lasting so long nowadays, it's not unreasonable to think of cars as 20 year devices. I mean, to have an average age of 12 years is evidence of how long cars are being kept in service now and EVs are the only type of vehicle that gets cleaner and cleaner the older it gets because of the power grid getting cleaner over time. ICE vehicles only get dirtier, as more oil comes from harder and more energy-intensive sources like fracking and the cars themselves have their fuel injectors partially clog, more vehicles in non-inspection states running around with completely non-functioning emissions controls, and so on.

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      12-06-2019 01:00 PM #327
      Anyone see the Tesla charging stations overfilled with cars waiting to charge up on Wednesday before Thanksgiving? Drove by one in Central California and the line was insane.

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      12-06-2019 02:07 PM #328
      Quote Originally Posted by gonzo08452 View Post
      Anyone see the Tesla charging stations overfilled with cars waiting to charge up on Wednesday before Thanksgiving? Drove by one in Central California and the line was insane.
      No that's just ignorant

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      12-06-2019 02:19 PM #329
      Quote Originally Posted by gonzo08452 View Post
      Anyone see the Tesla charging stations overfilled with cars waiting to charge up on Wednesday before Thanksgiving? Drove by one in Central California and the line was insane.
      Apparently nobody from Toyota saw any such thing.

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      12-06-2019 04:20 PM #330
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      No that's just ignorant
      Not if you are doing a 400 mile LA to SF trip and your Tesla only has a range of 250 to 375 miles. You have to stop somewhere along the route.

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      12-06-2019 07:15 PM #331
      Quote Originally Posted by gonzo08452 View Post
      Anyone see the Tesla charging stations overfilled with cars waiting to charge up on Wednesday before Thanksgiving? Drove by one in Central California and the line was insane.
      It's difficult to estimate wait times using the number of cars waiting with a station like Kettleman, assuming that's what you're referring to. There are 40 superchargers there and I think 14 of those are V3, which I think can add 80 miles in 5 minutes to a 3, or something like that.

      Other smaller superchargers, like San Juan Capistrano, usually won't have obvious lines, but can take far longer if the locals are hogging the spots.

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      12-06-2019 07:21 PM #332
      Quote Originally Posted by lyeinyoureye View Post
      It's difficult to estimate wait times using the number of cars waiting with a station like Kettleman, assuming that's what you're referring to. There are 40 superchargers there and I think 14 of those are V3, which I think can add 80 miles in 5 minutes to a 3, or something like that.

      Other smaller superchargers, like San Juan Capistrano, usually won't have obvious lines, but can take far longer if the locals are hogging the spots.
      "Hours long" according to this article: More Teslas on the Road Meant Hours-Long Supercharger Lines Over Thanksgiving

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      12-06-2019 07:35 PM #333
      Why build EVs when you can't build enough hybrids:

      Toyota Having Trouble Keeping Hybrid Car Models in Stock


      Toyota Motor Corp. has a problem with selling its hybrids — it can’t get enough of them.

      “The only thing holding us back on hybrids is capacity,” Bob Carter, Toyota’s North American executive vice president for sales, told reporters Dec. 5 at an event in Detroit. “We can’t make enough Corolla and RAV4 hybrids.”

      Bob Carter, Toyota’s North American executive vice president for sales

      While many of its competitors are walking away from hybrids and plowing billions into battery-powered cars, the Japanese automaker has seen demand surge for its 14 gasoline-electric models. Toyota’s hybrids accounted for 13% of total Toyota and Lexus brand sales in the U.S. last month and made up nearly a quarter of the volume for its top seller, the RAV4 compact SUV.

      Toyota could easily sell twice the number of hybrid RAV4 models, but can’t source enough electric batteries for the popular vehicle, Carter said. It currently has an 11-day supply of them in stock, compared to more than 20 days’ supply of gasoline-powered versions, he said.

      Carter said the RAV4 hybrid’s appeal has as much to do with features like sporty styling, extra torque and all-wheel drive as it does with its combined 40 miles per gallon fuel economy — 10 mpg above the gas-only model.

      Toyota plans to shift production of the RAV4 hybrid from Canada to a plant in Kentucky early next year, and also add a plug-in hybrid option from next summer to be imported from Japan. But that growing demand for hybrid versions of the RAV4, Corolla and other Toyota vehicles has come at the expense of its most famous hybrid, the Prius, sales of which are down 21% so far this year.

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      12-06-2019 10:05 PM #334
      Quote Originally Posted by spockcat View Post
      Not if you are doing a 400 mile LA to SF trip and your Tesla only has a range of 250 to 375 miles. You have to stop somewhere along the route.
      That was a South Park reference + light poke at the EVihadists. Practical concerns only matter when they work in favor of EVs

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      12-06-2019 11:26 PM #335
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      ....the EVihadists. Practical concerns only matter when they work in favor of EVs
      Just checking in to make sure the anti-EV circle jerk is still going strong on page 14.

    12. 12-07-2019 12:08 AM #336
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      That was a South Park reference + light poke at the EVihadists. Practical concerns only matter when they work in favor of EVs
      You still droning on because 1 guy said we should go all EV?

      Don't take this the wrong way, but no one really cares what you think. EV's are already here by the millions. They're already a viable product sold buy major manufacturers. They're going to get cheaper, longer range, and charge faster and faster. There's nothing you can do about it.

      Is there still room for ICE'a? Sure. But their days are numbered. Now go outside and get some exercise or spend time with family or friends. You seriously have to have mental issues if spend this much energy on a thread on a car forum. Get help.

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