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      08-01-2020 10:09 AM #2201
      Both Renault’s out qualify Vettel.

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    3. 08-01-2020 10:15 AM #2202
      Hamilton put three tenths into P2 Bottas for P1.

      Leclerc P3 over Vettel's P9.

      Verstappen at P4, the Red Bull sole survivor doing work

      Norris P5 over Sainz P7

      Stroll on his own at P6

      Ricciardo P8 over Ocon at P10.

    4. 08-01-2020 10:18 AM #2203
      Quote Originally Posted by Sporin View Post
      Both Renault’s out qualify Vettel.
      And Leclerc got P3, Vettel is fading. If Vettel goes to another team and performs the same it will be a heavy weight to bare.

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      08-01-2020 10:45 AM #2204
      Really hope Albon shows well tomorrow. About to head out the door, will come up with predictions for tomorrow later this afternoon.

    6. 08-01-2020 10:53 AM #2205
      The disparity between Verstappen and Albon:

      "Then the problem arose with mid-corner understeer on the slow corners of Silverstone. Both Max and Alex complaining about that this afternoon. Maybe the wind or the crosswinds. And that was the moment that exposed the whole argument about switching engineers. This was about a driver being able to adapt to all the variables going on," says Windsor in a YouTube video.

      "They had a head-on shot of Max going into copse and you can tell that he’s absolutely livid that he suddenly developed this mid-corner understeer in slow corners. I’ve never seen Max drive like that but he got away with it because he’s so good. He’s like Alonso, his footwork, his balance it’s just absolutely brilliant. And that gave a highlight of how good Max is when you highlight the slow corners. And that’s what Alex doesn’t have. He has the finesse and the subtleness but he doesn’t have the footwork manipulation that Max Verstappen has," ends Windsor".

      https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/64509...s-before-.html

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      08-01-2020 10:53 AM #2206
      I want so badly for Williams to get into a position to get at least a point. Q2 is a huge improvement over last year, but race day has been killer. 15 isn’t an ideal spot either.

    8. 08-01-2020 11:51 AM #2207
      Quote Originally Posted by Burnette View Post
      The disparity between Verstappen and Albon:

      "Then the problem arose with mid-corner understeer on the slow corners of Silverstone. Both Max and Alex complaining about that this afternoon. Maybe the wind or the crosswinds. And that was the moment that exposed the whole argument about switching engineers. This was about a driver being able to adapt to all the variables going on," says Windsor in a YouTube video.

      "They had a head-on shot of Max going into copse and you can tell that he’s absolutely livid that he suddenly developed this mid-corner understeer in slow corners. I’ve never seen Max drive like that but he got away with it because he’s so good. He’s like Alonso, his footwork, his balance it’s just absolutely brilliant. And that gave a highlight of how good Max is when you highlight the slow corners. And that’s what Alex doesn’t have. He has the finesse and the subtleness but he doesn’t have the footwork manipulation that Max Verstappen has," ends Windsor".

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      08-01-2020 12:29 PM #2208
      Quote Originally Posted by AutoBear View Post
      The difference between a good driver and an exceptional driver is that the latter can compensate for a bad car.
      What does that make Lance?

    10. 08-01-2020 12:30 PM #2209
      Quote Originally Posted by AutoBear View Post
      The difference between a good driver and an exceptional driver is that the latter can compensate for a bad car.
      Totally agree. And as I stated before, add to that, "race craft, race pace, minimizing mistakes, managing the car and just as importantly, managing the mental aspect of pressure are all skills needed".

      During the Rosberg/Hamilton years, they both at times struggled with a new car design but both were excellent at adapting to the car.

    11. 08-01-2020 12:38 PM #2210
      Quote Originally Posted by ghost03 View Post
      What does that make Lance?
      It makes him peaky. Given the tools he can shine at times but over a season it would show where he had gaps. As you've seen with Ghastly and now Albon, equipment gets you there, what happens after that is up to the driver and time, expectations/pressure show where weakness lies.

    12. 08-01-2020 01:07 PM #2211
      Quote Originally Posted by ghost03 View Post
      What does that make Lance?
      A good driver but one that needs a good car to perform. When at Williams and later at Force India, he would be invisible for the majority of the season but then he would finish very high on a track that was better suited to the car's characteristics. He often makes good starts and his drives surprisingly well in the rain. Qualifying and consistency are his two main weaknesses.

      Latifi on the other hand hasn't shown a single reason why he deserves to be in Formula 1.
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      08-01-2020 03:36 PM #2212
      Great qual session, always enjoy when Lewis makes a mistake because it so seldom happens and he bounces back quickly. And what a lap!!!! 1:24.303!!!! For perspective, Bottas was the pole sitter last year with a 1:25.093.

      Predictions for tomorrow;
      1. Lewis. Going to get away strong and control the race.
      2. Verstappen. He will overcome Bottas quickly and defend till the checkered flag.
      3. Leclerc. Ferrari on podium? It's a stretch but maybe they'll finally do something right.
      4. Bottas. His championship dreams will die at this race. Solid driver but it just isn't meant to be.
      5. Norris. Finish the same spot as qual. Hopefully we can see a LASTLAPLANDO and he can overtake Bottas.


      6-10 will be interesting. Can Vettel make up any ground? Same for Albon? Can Renault show well and get a double points finish? Can Hulkenberg show well? And will Russell do something extraordinary or will he blunder things up again?

      Should be a good race and I'm looking forward to seeing how the tires hold up in the heat. I don't know if a one-stop strategy will cover it tomorrow... doubtful.

      Your thoughts?

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      08-01-2020 04:10 PM #2214
      Quote Originally Posted by roman16v View Post
      And will Russell do something extraordinary or will he blunder things up again?

      Your thoughts?
      Spoke too soon. https://www.planetf1.com/news/george...-grid-penalty/

    16. 08-01-2020 04:23 PM #2215
      Quote Originally Posted by roman16v View Post
      What's interesting is the mix of drivers below and their performances too. Look at the comparison of teammates and the consistency/inconsistency.

      Silverstone Qualy over the years;

      2016
      1. Hamilton
      2. Verstappen
      3. Rosberg
      4. Ricciardo
      5. Kimi
      (Vettel was P9)

      2017
      1. Hamilton
      2. Kimi
      3. Vettel
      4. Bottas
      5. Verstappen
      (Ricciardo P20)

      2018
      1. Hamilton
      2. Vettel
      3. Kimi
      4. Bottas
      5. Verstappen
      (Ricciardo P5)

      2019
      1. Bottas
      2. Hamilton
      3. Leclerc
      4. Verstappen
      5. Gasly
      (Vettel P6)

    17. 08-01-2020 11:35 PM #2216
      Different years, same result, big difference in speed:


    18. 08-01-2020 11:54 PM #2217
      F1 put this up, comments, as usual, are brutal, Albon vs Verstappen. Enter/exit speeds and racing line differences are telling:


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      Zak Brown apparently has MONEY and GREAT TASTE!

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      Yesterday 03:28 AM #2219
      Quote Originally Posted by Burnette View Post
      F1 put this up, comments, as usual, are brutal, Albon vs Verstappen. Enter/exit speeds and racing line differences are telling:

      They were pretty close until they got to the backside (what I call the old Silverstone front). Albon was slow on the throttle, VER got a little loose, and then Albon missed it in the essess.
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      Yesterday 03:35 AM #2220
      Quote Originally Posted by roman16v View Post


      Zak Brown apparently has MONEY and GREAT TASTE!
      I don't think there's a principal who doesn't have tons of money (or earns a ton). If top NASCAR crew chiefs are getting 1m-3m/year, I can only assume a top F1 principal is between 5m-10m.

      2018 financials revealed that Toto was making 8m Euros, that's almost $9.5m USD.
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    22. Yesterday 07:31 AM #2221
      Quote Originally Posted by roman16v View Post


      Zak Brown apparently has MONEY and GREAT TASTE!
      I always loved that car, I remember having a poster of it. And that's as close as I'll ever get unless I see one at a car show

      I had to look Toto up, pretty impressive:

      Principal and CEO of the Mercedes AMG Petronas
      Formula One team and holds a 30% share in the team,
      he was a former shareholder of Williams FI team as
      well.


      As an investor, Wolff founded Marchfifteen in 1998 and
      Marchsixteen Investments in 2004, initially focusing on
      Internet and technology companies. He specialises in
      strategic investments in medium-sized industrial and
      listed companies, which have included Williams FI
      team and German HWA AG
      .

      Investments include the German HWA AG,
      in which Wolff bought a 49% stake in 2006 listing the
      company on the stock exchange in 2007. The company
      runs the Deutsche Tourenwagen Masters race program
      for Mercedes Benz, developing F3 engines and the
      Gullwing Mercedes Benz SLS GT3 racing car
      .

      Other investments include BRR Rallye Racing, one of the
      largest rally parts dealers in Europe. Wolff is also co-
      owner of a sports management company with Mika
      Hakkinen and was involved in the management of
      racing drivers such as Bruno Spengler, Alexandre
      Premat and Valtteri Bottas.

      Toto Wolff's net worth is estimated to be around $450
      million
      .

      Toto Wolff has a house in Northants, and owns several
      luxury cars, which are - Mercedes Benz 300 SL, 1 957
      Mercedes Benz 300, Mercedes AMG G TR, Mercedes
      AMG GT, Mercedes Benz SLS AMG, Mercedes Benz
      GLC, Mercedes X-Class, Mercedes Benz G-Class,
      Mercedes Benz C-Class, Bugatti Veyron and a Maserati
      Granturismo.


      Salary: Approximately $3.5 million Euros


      https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.spo...olff-net-worth
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      Yesterday 08:55 AM #2222
      Good morning gentlemen! Looks like a beautiful day for racing.

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      Yesterday 09:00 AM #2223
      Dang, Niko Hulkenberg out before the race even starts? His car is all torn down...

    25. Yesterday 09:00 AM #2224
      Race Day! Excited, hope for a good one.

      Hate it for Hulk, problems with the car, the floor is off!

      With all the talk of Racing Point's copy, you see it still all has to click, car, team, driver. In a championship run, having a car not start could be a season killer.

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      Quote Originally Posted by roman16v View Post
      Dang, Niko Hulkenberg out before the race even starts? His car is all torn down...
      Quote Originally Posted by Burnette View Post
      Race Day! Excited, hope for a good one.

      Hate it for Hulk, problems with the car, the floor is off!

      With all the talk of Racing Point's copy, you see it still all has to click, car, team, driver. In a championship run, having a car not start could be a season killer.
      Anyone catch what the supposed issue is for him?

      Definitely a disappointing day for Hulkenberg.
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