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    1. Senior Member Wimbledon's Avatar
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      12-06-2019 12:34 AM #1
      https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...4-spider-dead/



      Quote Originally Posted by Car and Driver
      Fiat 124 Spider Reportedly Set to End Production Soon
      According to numerous Italian publications, the Miata's European cousin is not long for this world.

      The Fiat 124 Spider will end production soon, according to al Volante and other Italian publications.
      Based on the Mazda MX-5 Miata, the 124 Spider is built in Japan as the same plant as the Mazda.

      There is a 2020 model-year 124 Spider available in the U.S., but we suspect that there will not be a 2021.

      Get ready to say arrivederci to the Miata's Italian cousin, as numerous Italian publications are reporting that production of the Fiat 124 Spider will end soon. The 124 has been removed from the list of models on Fiat's Italian website already, although a 2020 124 Spider remains available in the U.S. A Fiat U.S. spokesperson told C/D that production continues for North America, but we suspect there will be no 2021 model year for this roadster in the States.

      The 124 Spider was introduced for the 2017 model year in the U.S. and is based on the Mazda MX-5 Miata. The Fiat version has a different engine, a tweaked interior, and its own body with styling meant to evoke the historic 124 Spider from the 1960s and 70s. Mazda builds the 124 Spider alongside the Miata in Japan; a Mazda spokesperson could not comment on the Fiat, but suggested that Miata production would not be affected. Through the third quarter of 2019, the Mazda has far outsold the Fiat, 6351 units to 2214.

      Dropping the 124 Spider leaves Fiat's U.S. lineup with only two models, the 500X subcompact crossover and the oddball 500L station wagon. The 500 city car was discontinued for 2020 and is not expected to return anytime soon. Late Fiat-Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne suggested years ago that Fiat could become an eco-focused brand for the company, but we haven't heard much about the future of Fiat since then.

      Will you miss the Fiat 124 Spider?


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      12-06-2019 12:46 AM #2
      Not a surprise really. I do like the styling of the 124 Spider.

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      12-06-2019 12:47 AM #3
      Quote Originally Posted by BlackMiata View Post
      Not a surprise really. I do like the styling of the 124 Spider.
      i'm the opposite. Did not like.
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      12-06-2019 12:58 AM #4
      I knew of them, but saw maybe one or two ever out in the wild. No surprise, really.

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      12-06-2019 12:58 AM #5
      if any of you can afford a 2nd/summer car, go buy one ASAP!! I can see this car used value won't depreciate too long/deep and will become appreciate much faster than other because of short production period... specially the Abarth model.

      It got the look, got the fun driving feel, got the quality/reliability (of Mazda).
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    7. 12-06-2019 12:59 AM #6
      They should have made the coupe fastback




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      12-06-2019 01:03 AM #7
      I think the Miata is an 11/10 on the beauty scale and the 124 is a sold 6/10.

      Miata is one of the sexiest cars ever made to my eye, inside and out.

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      12-06-2019 01:18 AM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by mrspeedmaster View Post
      They should have made the coupe fastback
      I'm glad that at least FCA manufactured a number of OEM design/quality carbon fiber hardtops. I'm sure this is going to be a hard part to find in the future. You can order the hardtop from FCA for about $3k.



      The Abarth 124 was one of the most fun cars I've driven over the last few years. RIP. I'd like to get one at some point.
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      12-06-2019 01:30 AM #9
      I’ve only ever seen one, I thought it was neat. My was son really fascinated by the Abarth badges.
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      12-06-2019 01:48 AM #10
      I always liked them and surprise didn't see more of them in LA. Probably saw less than 10 total.

      A co-worker and I both had one at the same time for a while. Good times.


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      12-06-2019 07:20 AM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by Avus View Post
      It got the look, got the fun driving feel, got the quality/reliability (of Mazda).
      Except it still has a Fiat engine. I suspect that still scares off potential buyers, considering that every TCL thread that suggests an FCA product has potential worries of FCA long-term reliability..

      It was a nice idea to fight fire with fire in the "Miata segment" but time and time again, its challengers (think Solstice, Capri, DelSol, "Mister-S" MR2) somehow don't measure up to well-roundedness of the Miata.

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      12-06-2019 07:56 AM #12
      The Miata is light enough to not need a turbo. And with that new high revving 2.0L the Fiat feels redundant.

      I heard chatter that the next Miata will be electrified. We'll see

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      I'm sad to see it go.

      I think it's much better looking than the Miata. Yeah, I said it.
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      12-06-2019 10:00 AM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      The Miata is light enough to not need a turbo. And with that new high revving 2.0L the Fiat feels redundant.

      I heard chatter that the next Miata will be electrified. We'll see
      It could have been great if they had used the turbo for a definitive power advantage over the Miata. The problem is that it came with the same power as the ND1, but with all the downsides of turbocharging. With the ND2, it actually has less power by a decent bit.

      But I agree that the Fiat feels redundant next to the Miata. There's just not much reason to choose it over the Miata unless you really have a thing for the styling. They should have moved it upmarket a bit, put the 2.0T from the Giulia, and called it the Alfa Spider (with appropriate Alfa design language). It could have been a substantially more powerful alternative to the Miata.

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      12-06-2019 10:04 AM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by Nealric View Post
      It could have been great if they had used the turbo for a definitive power advantage over the Miata. The problem is that it came with the same power as the ND1, but with all the downsides of turbocharging. With the ND2, it actually has less power by a decent bit.

      But I agree that the Fiat feels redundant next to the Miata. There's just not much reason to choose it over the Miata unless you really have a thing for the styling. They should have moved it upmarket a bit, put the 2.0T from the Giulia, and called it the Alfa Spider (with appropriate Alfa design language). It could have been a substantially more powerful alternative to the Miata.
      Agreed 100% -- heck, keep the 1.4t for base trims. Undercut the SLK, Z4, and Boxster with more flair too.

      I even like some of the renderings still.


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      12-06-2019 10:06 AM #16
      Is this the end of Fiat in the USA? They cut the 500, now the 124. Does the 500L exist any more? That just leaves the 500x, which is really competitive, and its Jeep sibling likely eats all of its sales.

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    18. 12-06-2019 10:37 AM #17
      RIP. I liked it more than the ND1 when I tried them both. It's still something I'd like to own.
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      12-06-2019 10:50 AM #18
      I just saw one on the road yesterday driving home from work. I think they are better looking than the Miata. But Italian vs Japanese styling, I suppose. I don't find the Miata ugly, I just prefer the 124.
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      12-06-2019 11:00 AM #19
      I test drove one over the summer.
      I really wanted to like it but compared to the Miata it felt cramped and confining even with the top down. Not sure how they made the 124 feel smaller inside than the Miata but they did.
      Also the power compared to the sound it was making was lackluster.

      Felt like I was in a Civic DL with a fart can on it power wise.

      The other thing that bothered me with the 124 and the Miata was all the electronic nannies and how I could never turn it all off completely.
      I really wanted to feel the raw car not the computer helping me corner.

      Ended up just buying out my GTI instead of getting either one.

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      12-06-2019 11:18 AM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by Dieselstation View Post
      i'm the opposite. Did not like.
      Same. Id rather take the Miata

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      12-06-2019 11:21 AM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by CostcoPizza View Post
      Agreed 100% -- heck, keep the 1.4t for base trims. Undercut the SLK, Z4, and Boxster with more flair too.

      I even like some of the renderings still.

      Oh wow that'd be awesome. I'm guessing Mazda wouldn't license the chassis for something that far above market though, and that it would lose the weight balance with a 2.0T.

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      12-06-2019 11:31 AM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by Nealric View Post
      It could have been great if they had used the turbo for a definitive power advantage over the Miata. The problem is that it came with the same power as the ND1, but with all the downsides of turbocharging. With the ND2, it actually has less power by a decent bit.

      But I agree that the Fiat feels redundant next to the Miata. There's just not much reason to choose it over the Miata unless you really have a thing for the styling. They should have moved it upmarket a bit, put the 2.0T from the Giulia, and called it the Alfa Spider (with appropriate Alfa design language). It could have been a substantially more powerful alternative to the Miata.
      Interestingly enough, the 124 was originally supposed to be Alfa but was rejected due to the Miata roots.
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      12-06-2019 12:04 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by BlackMiata View Post
      Not a surprise really.
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      12-06-2019 12:11 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by Nealric View Post
      It could have been great if they had used the turbo for a definitive power advantage over the Miata. The problem is that it came with the same power as the ND1, but with all the downsides of turbocharging. With the ND2, it actually has less power by a decent bit.
      Not playing the warranty game, but it is silly easy to get more power out of the 1.4T. I've been in 124s around the 230whp mark and it completely changes the ball game vs the ND Miata.

      I happen to find the ND a better looking car overall, but my ultimate wish would be to get the 1.4T from the 124 into a Miata. Because boooooost.

      Still sad to see the 124 go but it was inevitable. I'll probably have one some day when the bottom falls out on the market for them. Just can't justify to myself two Fiat convertibles right now.
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      12-06-2019 12:19 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by RAVatar View Post
      Not playing the warranty game, but it is silly easy to get more power out of the 1.4T. I've been in 124s around the 230whp mark and it completely changes the ball game vs the ND Miata.

      I happen to find the ND a better looking car overall, but my ultimate wish would be to get the 1.4T from the 124 into a Miata. Because boooooost.

      Still sad to see the 124 go but it was inevitable. I'll probably have one some day when the bottom falls out on the market for them. Just can't justify to myself two Fiat convertibles right now.
      I don't doubt a 230whp 124 would be a hoot, but I'm not sure how much I'd trust it. That's a game to play in 5 years when they are dirt cheap used.

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