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    Thread: TCL, I need your help. I think I'm going electric but I am somewhat lost.

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      01-09-2020 01:06 AM #51
      Quote Originally Posted by Wimbledon View Post
      I think this point bears emphasizing -- would a car with DC fast charging capability work for your needs for occasional charging if you couldn't charge at work for a few days? If so, definitely look at an i3 (they are great to drive!), a Bolt, or an eGolf.

      On whether you'll tire of EVs, hard to say, but my own experience is that I don't think I'll ever daily an ICE vehicle again. The quietness, smooth acceleration, instant heat/AC, low running costs, and other advantages have me hooked on EVs for commuting and short errands. I love my 500e. There is not much compromise if you have a backup ICE vehicle for days when range may be an issue.
      My only issue is long-distance travel to crappy far-away places that, bizarrely, are actually a plus in the used Tesla column. I sometimes have to travel to Barstow (have a corporate client there) and an eGolf or i3 won't get me there and back, even with REx. Tesla has superchargers out there, which would get me a charge on the way back.

      What's everyone's thought on the A3 e-tron? I can't figure out whether the range is 18 miles or 30 (US sites seem to say 18, Euro sites say 30, but the battery seems to be the same 8.8KWh?

      Also, I found this, a Tesla Model 3 Long Range with Autopilot and 7k miles for only $38.8k. This was a nearly $60k car two years ago!



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      01-09-2020 02:34 AM #52
      Quote Originally Posted by smoothsix View Post
      Fit and finish DOWN? Man, Mk7 all day every day for me.
      Maybe fit and finish isn't the best way to describe it, but we definitely had a few disappointments with our Mk7 after having a couple of Mk5s.

      Mk7 has:
      -plastic B and C pillar covers to the Mk5/6 fabric
      -scratchy cloth compared to the Mk5/6s soft and smooth cloth
      -plastic trim pieces vs the Mk5's aluminum
      -dash hinged accelerator vs the Mk5/6s floor hinged
      -missing door lock buttons on the rear doors

      That's not to say the Mk7 interior isn't more modern with a great overall design, just that the materials aren't as nice. And overall it's a small price to pay; the steering and dynamics and performance of the Mk7 are just so much better.

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      01-09-2020 09:42 AM #53
      Quote Originally Posted by VadGTI View Post
      My only issue is long-distance travel to crappy far-away places that, bizarrely, are actually a plus in the used Tesla column. I sometimes have to travel to Barstow (have a corporate client there) and an eGolf or i3 won't get me there and back, even with REx. Tesla has superchargers out there, which would get me a charge on the way back.

      What's everyone's thought on the A3 e-tron? I can't figure out whether the range is 18 miles or 30 (US sites seem to say 18, Euro sites say 30, but the battery seems to be the same 8.8KWh?
      Let's see, BNSF Railroad?

      And re: e-tron, the European test cycle for EVs is much more optimistic.

      Quote Originally Posted by ghost03 View Post
      Maybe fit and finish isn't the best way to describe it, but we definitely had a few disappointments with our Mk7 after having a couple of Mk5s.

      Mk7 has:
      -plastic B and C pillar covers to the Mk5/6 fabric
      -scratchy cloth compared to the Mk5/6s soft and smooth cloth
      -plastic trim pieces vs the Mk5's aluminum
      -dash hinged accelerator vs the Mk5/6s floor hinged
      -missing door lock buttons on the rear doors

      That's not to say the Mk7 interior isn't more modern with a great overall design, just that the materials aren't as nice. And overall it's a small price to pay; the steering and dynamics and performance of the Mk7 are just so much better.
      Supposedly the MK8 takes this down another notch.

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      01-09-2020 10:41 AM #54
      Wildcard:

      Could always split the Volt/Tesla difference and get a Porsche Volt


      https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...&firstRecord=0

      Not quite down to $30k though. Low to mid $30s.

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      01-09-2020 10:47 AM #55
      Quote Originally Posted by Mike! View Post
      Wildcard:

      Could always split the Volt/Tesla difference and get a Porsche Volt


      https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...&firstRecord=0

      Not quite down to $30k though. Low to mid $30s.
      16 mile range. DO IT!


      EDIT: He could probably get an even newer (or lower mileage) Porsche Cayenne E-Hybrid S for the price of a Panamera.

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      01-09-2020 11:04 AM #56
      Quote Originally Posted by Tommietank View Post
      OP, I see only one EV in your future. A 2015-2017 BMW i3 with the REX (range extending engine). About $15-$23k. Depending on the gen, you get 80-120 miles of pure EV range AND the engine for those longer trips. Plus like the newer gen Volt, you can control when you use the engine to "save your charge". The car is quick, carbon fiber, and RWD. The tightest turning radius of any current vehicle. IMO, the best city vehicle of all time. I loved them so much I had 2! It's legit faster to 30/40 than the E92 M3 of it's time. They are much bigger inside than at first glance and drive much better than any other EV outside of Tesla. Trust me on this. Go test drive a nice one. Any questions?


      THIS. I think a German Volt would be a good choice for OP.
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      01-09-2020 11:58 AM #57
      Quote Originally Posted by spockcat View Post
      16 mile range. DO IT!


      EDIT: He could probably get an even newer (or lower mileage) Porsche Cayenne E-Hybrid S for the price of a Panamera.

      Result in your link... $4,200 for a 2015!

      https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...0292/overview/

      Clearly meant to put $42,000 but how do we convince them to honor it?

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      01-09-2020 12:24 PM #58
      Quote Originally Posted by TurboMinivan View Post
      This reminds me of something I just read on an investing web site. The site posed the following question and answer:

      "What do you do when someone offers you $500,000 for a $250,000 house? You sell the house."

      Take the ridiculous offer, for sure. Then buy the Gen 1 Volt. You'll come out thousands of dollars ahead now, plus you'll have the incoming rebate, and then there is the $1500+ you won't spend in gasoline each year. If you get bored after a year or two, the car won't depreciate much from its current value--you really cannot lose here.

      Do it.

      X2

      You've got a legit fun car.
      Volt won't depreciate much. If you get hooked on electric sell and get a T. Ludacris.

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      01-09-2020 12:28 PM #59
      Quote Originally Posted by VadGTI View Post
      I sometimes have to travel to Barstow (have a corporate client there) and an eGolf or i3 won't get me there and back, even with REx.
      What do you mean it won't get you back with the Rex? It's a gasoline engine. Add gas anywhere and go. I've driven mine on many super long trips. Do you mean straight without stopping?

      Quote Originally Posted by Uber Wagon View Post
      THIS. I think a German Volt would be a good choice for OP.
      Another reasonable and analytical gentleman

      For the price, I don't see why an enthusiast would choose a gen 2 Volt over an i3 all around $17k. The i3 is such a brilliant and interesting vehicle. Sandy Munro calls it the Model T of our time.
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      01-09-2020 12:43 PM #60
      Quote Originally Posted by Tommietank View Post
      What do you mean it won't get you back with the Rex? It's a gasoline engine. Add gas anywhere and go. I've driven mine on many super long trips. Do you mean straight without stopping?
      Woah, I was under the impression the engine *extended* the range, but cannot run the car nor work as a full-time generator like the Volt.

      Meaning there is still a limit to the i3 before you need to charge the batteries.

      Is that wrong?

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      01-09-2020 12:47 PM #61
      Quote Originally Posted by kraut_pauer79 View Post
      A $29K Model S WILL cost you more in parts eventually, don't do it. And I can't believe the insurance increase...
      I feel like a mostly out of warranty Model S with it's likelihood of issues is the most on brand for Vad though.

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      01-09-2020 12:59 PM #62
      Quote Originally Posted by Tommietank View Post
      What do you mean it won't get you back with the Rex? It's a gasoline engine. Add gas anywhere and go. I've driven mine on many super long trips. Do you mean straight without stopping?
      Didn't the early i3 REX models in North America not support full driving on the highway with the gas engine running?

      Range extender option

      An optional petrol/gasoline range extender engine is marketed as REx[33] and is powered by the same Kymco built 647 cc inline two-cylinder engine used in the BMW C650 GT maxi-scooter.[55] The system is intended as an emergency backup to extend range to the next recharging location, and not for long-distance travel.[56] The 647 cc engine as fitted in the i3 REx is derated compared to the engine of the same displacement in the C650 GT; the REx engine develops 34 hp; 34 PS (25 kW) and 41 lb⋅ft; 5.6 kg⋅m (55 N⋅m) at 4,300 RPM, achieving compliance with Euro-6 emissions standards[57] compared to the 59 hp; 60 PS (44 kW) (at 7,500 RPM) and 49 lb⋅ft; 6.7 kg⋅m (66 N⋅m) (at 6,000 RPM) for the engine in the C650 GT, which complies with the less restrictive Euro-4 emissions.[58]

      The REx engine operates when battery capacity drops to a pre-specified level, generating electricity to extend the range to about 320 km (200 mi) for the European version.[59]

      European models have a 9 litres fuel tank while American models have the same tank[3] though software-limited to a capacity of 7.2 litres.[60] Under EPA five-cycle testing, the i3 REx has a total range of 240 km (150 mi).[11]

      The vehicle's official range is 130 to 160 km (80 to 100 mi) for the 60 Ah battery option under the New European Driving Cycle (NEDC), and up to 200 km (120 mi) in the most efficient driving mode.[6] Under the United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) cycle the official range is 130 km (81 mi) with combined fuel economy of 124 miles per gallon gasoline equivalent —MPGe— (1.90 L/100 km; 149 mpg imp).

      In July 2016, BMW released the 2017 model year (MY) BMW i3 94 Ah with an improved 33 kWh battery pack with 50% more capacity than the previous model resulting in an increase of its range to 183 km (114 mi) under the EPA cycle,[8] and 300 km (190 mi) under the NEDC test.[25][61] The Range Extender (REx) variant also has the same higher capacity battery as the all-electric model, with a corresponding all-electric range increase to 156 km (97 mi) under EPA testing cycle, for a total range of 290 km (180 mi).[12]

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      01-09-2020 01:07 PM #63
      Used Model 3 or get the 1G Volt (I actually really like the styling) and get an aftermarket warranty, if such a thing exists for EVs. But are you sure you want to make the jump?

      Quote Originally Posted by spockcat View Post
      Didn't the early i3 REX models in North America not support full driving on the highway with the gas engine running?
      There is a software hack to make the i3 REX more livable, but the gas tank is still puny.


      Honestly, I genuinely like the i3 rex, at least on paper. But if it isn't a good fit, then that's that.
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      01-09-2020 01:25 PM #64
      If you only drive the car only 5 days a week, using your numbers 64,800 miles divided by 5 days a week * 6.5 years (1,690) means you drive 38.34 miles which is the range the Volt. Obviously if you drive it more days then range will be ok. I guess the occasionally gas you put in wont be a problem.

      The used Tesla's might require more service than your GTI.

      I do like the i3 idea. And you do have a 993 to drive around when you care about driving.

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      01-09-2020 02:01 PM #65
      I voted for the boring choice, Keep the GTI.

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      01-09-2020 02:09 PM #66
      Option X;

      You Sell the GTI
      You Keep the Volt
      Sell Girlfriends Saab
      Buy Girlfriend an i3

    18. 01-09-2020 02:21 PM #67
      Since you have a 993 for fun, definitely go EV for commuting. I went with a 14 Volt Premium and really love it - the interior is nice, but has capacitive touch buttons, if you're into that. The Gen 2's have about a 10mile range gain and run on 87, vs 93 with the gen1; the tank is only about 8 gallons too. I can't recommend them enough for the price they sell at now - they took a big depreciation hit in off-lease values.

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      01-09-2020 02:25 PM #68
      Quote Originally Posted by BlackMiata View Post
      Option X;

      You Sell the GTI
      You Keep the Volt
      Sell Girlfriends Saab
      Buy Girlfriend an i3
      What about buy self i3 and just swap cars for the infrequent trips to Barstow?
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      01-09-2020 03:26 PM #69
      Quote Originally Posted by VadGTI View Post

      Also, I found this, a Tesla Model 3 Long Range with Autopilot and 7k miles for only $38.8k. This was a nearly $60k car two years ago!


      If you're considering this, have you thought about buying a brand new Model 3? The base price is 40k and it should qualify for a 2k CA state rebate. You will have to pay for supercharging, but you'll get the full warranty in case something goes wrong.

      I also bought a used Gen 1 volt for commuting. It's been a great car so far, but from my research, people seem to recommend getting a 2014 or 2015 as those years had some updates and seem to be most reliable.

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      01-09-2020 05:25 PM #70
      I voted 2nd gen Volt but I'm biased.

      If you have any ownership questions, let me know as I have now almost 3 years of use and info on mine including range and fuel stats. Separately, I'm also looking at unloading my '17 so that may be something you may be interested in. Lastly, if you want an extended test drive on it, you know where to find me

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      01-09-2020 05:35 PM #71
      If you want to impress the clients, perhaps you should be looking at the Volt's cousin the Cadillac ELR.

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      01-09-2020 05:46 PM #73
      Quote Originally Posted by ghost03 View Post
      I voted keep the GTI; from what you've described it seems like the EV thing is more of a novelty than a rationality. My 2nd choice from these would be the 2nd Gen Volt. Personally I wouldn't consider the other options, if you're going to all the work of trading dailies, the odometer ought to go down.

      Another thing to consider is a Mk7 GTI. Have you driven one? The fit and finish is down slightly but they drive quite a bit better than Mk5/6.
      This is basically my thought. I mean, I guess if you just putter around town, there's no point in owning anything sporty. In that case, the GTI could be replaced with something more in keeping with how you drive. Personally, I wouldn't trade in something paid off that I still enjoy driving.

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      01-09-2020 06:09 PM #74
      Quote Originally Posted by Sold Over Sticker View Post
      Financial reasons? Get the cheap depreciated Volt. Pocket the offer on the GTI that doesn't make sense, as it seems way too high. Have a cheap commuter that can charge off 110v.

      Fun reasons? Sell everything and buy an M5.

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      01-09-2020 06:11 PM #75
      Quote Originally Posted by CostcoPizza View Post
      Let's see, BNSF Railroad?

      And re: e-tron, the European test cycle for EVs is much more optimistic.


      re: e-tron, I thought the same thing, but the UK and Euro vids clearly claim they get the higher range.

      Quote Originally Posted by spockcat View Post
      Didn't the early i3 REX models in North America not support full driving on the highway with the gas engine running?
      That's what I thought.

      Quote Originally Posted by Sporin View Post
      I voted for the boring choice, Keep the GTI.
      Quote Originally Posted by 6cylVWguy View Post
      This is basically my thought. I mean, I guess if you just putter around town, there's no point in owning anything sporty. In that case, the GTI could be replaced with something more in keeping with how you drive. Personally, I wouldn't trade in something paid off that I still enjoy driving.

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      There's a cost to this. I just called four local indies and their clutch replacement quotes were essentially all in line. $1,600 for clutch/incidentals and $800 more for flywheel. So, at some point (who knows when), I'll have to sink $1,600-$2,400 into it.

      Quote Originally Posted by BlackMiata View Post
      Option X;

      You Sell the GTI
      You Keep the Volt
      Sell Girlfriends Saab
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      Quote Originally Posted by chucchinchilla View Post
      What about buy self i3 and just swap cars for the infrequent trips to Barstow?
      The Volt's current mileage will allow for the Voltec warranty to last 4 years based on her driving pattern. I'd breeze through it much quicker, which is why I didn't keep it for myself in the first place. That and no bluetooth music streaming or heated seats (my back/ass loves heated seats ).

      Quote Originally Posted by vdubguy3 View Post
      If you're considering this, have you thought about buying a brand new Model 3? The base price is 40k and it should qualify for a 2k CA state rebate. You will have to pay for supercharging, but you'll get the full warranty in case something goes wrong.

      I also bought a used Gen 1 volt for commuting. It's been a great car so far, but from my research, people seem to recommend getting a 2014 or 2015 as those years had some updates and seem to be most reliable.
      That used one should have some warranty left and it's a long range with autopilot. Then again, the point of this was to be more cost effective. Blowing $30k on something like that just doesn't make much sense, logic-wise. Heart-wise, that's a different story . It's why I'm looking at JCW Minis and '19 GTIs as well now for some reason .

      Quote Originally Posted by kickapoo View Post
      I voted 2nd gen Volt but I'm biased.

      If you have any ownership questions, let me know as I have now almost 3 years of use and info on mine including range and fuel stats. Separately, I'm also looking at unloading my '17 so that may be something you may be interested in. Lastly, if you want an extended test drive on it, you know where to find me
      Texted.

      Quote Originally Posted by BlackMiata View Post
      If you want to impress the clients, perhaps you should be looking at the Volt's cousin the Cadillac ELR.
      ELRs scare me. Two non-consecutive years of manufacture means components (taillights, etc.) will be NLA or priced in the stratosphere very soon.
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