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      01-13-2020 11:58 AM #26
      Few people are going to want to hear this, but I think turbo power is going to be necessary because they're probably going to have to push the price point up on the next-gen cars to justify keeping them on the market, and to support that, they're going to need more performance.

      And more weight, which means more brake, which means bigger wheels...

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      01-13-2020 12:02 PM #27
      no turbo

      more displacment
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      Sounds great. Maybe I'm just a fascist and didn't know it.. I don't know if I even care anymore.

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      01-13-2020 12:06 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by ByronLLN View Post
      Few people are going to want to hear this, but I think turbo power is going to be necessary because they're probably going to have to push the price point up on the next-gen cars to justify keeping them on the market, and to support that, they're going to need more performance.

      And more weight, which means more brake, which means bigger wheels...
      I think price will go up a bit, but there's a ceiling as I doubt Toyota wants to bump up against the Supra pricing-wise. I'd be surprised if it starts above mid 30s.

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      01-13-2020 12:19 PM #29
      I wouldn't expect much from the twins with the Supra on the scene now. Weren't there talks of offering a lesser supra as well?

      I can see them placing the new 2.4 in there, but again without a turbo, and whatever marginal power bump that comes with it, maybe 215hp 200tq. That way there's room for a baby supra in the 275 range.
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      01-13-2020 12:21 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by absoluteczech View Post
      Wait, didnt everyone use to complain that that 86/BRZ needed a turbo, but now everyone is just saying it needs larger displacement ?
      Needs partnership with Honda to add an Atkins cycle 2.7L flat six with 11,800 RPM redline. TCL is waiting cash in hand. If this exact engine fails to appear then TCL will buy a GTI instead. Subaru/Totoya, you've been put on notice.

    7. 01-13-2020 12:25 PM #31
      People asking for more displacement are delusional. This isnt the 90s anymore, we are past the point of 'no replacement for displacement' and youre talking about a 4 banger not a v8. It needs a turbo and im sure it will get one. If you think theyre gonna redesign everything just to shove a larger motor in youre gonna be sadly let down

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      01-13-2020 12:28 PM #32
      In an ideal world, Toyota and Subaru would work to differentiate the product more this time around. I know sales numbers don't justify it, but it would be grand to see a 2.4T in the subaru application, and a NA tuned 2.4 in the Toyota variant. Surely Yamaha/Porsche or others (not to mention in-house teams) could massage the 2.4 to make it more sporting. So then buyers could have their choice of FI or NA. That, or allow a base model NA with STI/GT-S trim being turbo'd.

      I am looking forward to this if it is getting on the TNGA and getting the 2.4.

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      01-13-2020 12:35 PM #33
      Just take the drivetrain from the S2000. A Toyota/Subaru/Honda synergy would work.
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    10. 01-13-2020 01:11 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by Elite_Deforce View Post
      It would be very disappointing if they went turbo-only on this. I also don't understand how they can go from a 2.0L N/A engine to a 2.4L turbo engine with what little space there is in that engine bay already.

      If they fix the NVH and keep an N/A engine, they can shut up and take my money.

      Like those renders too.
      Couldn’t agree more with your take. Great and fun cars but I couldn’t live with the NVH in a daily.


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      01-13-2020 01:14 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by ByronLLN View Post
      Few people are going to want to hear this, but I think turbo power is going to be necessary because they're probably going to have to push the price point up on the next-gen cars to justify keeping them on the market, and to support that, they're going to need more performance.

      And more weight, which means more brake, which means bigger wheels...
      I hope that happens, then my car will hold its value better. "Last NA version!"

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      01-13-2020 01:14 PM #36
      How about that 268hp/273 lb-ft 3 cylinder Turbo from the GR Yaris?

      Quote Originally Posted by Mike! View Post
      It astonishes me this could keep coming up on a car forum, but more displacement does not mean a "bigger motor."
      I was responding to the person above me who said the Accent engine (as noted in the article) wouldn't fit. I merely noted that the new platform probably fixes that issue if there is one.

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      01-13-2020 01:22 PM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by Elite_Deforce View Post
      Some don't necessarily want either and are fine with the engine current car.

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      As long as it has enough torque to return good highway fuel economy, I don't care. I love wringing out that car. I am also biased having grown up with an N/A RX-7, so.
      The 1G Twins don't have the top end of your RX7 (I'd know, I had an FC) or an S2000, and also had a dip in the 5K RPM range that you had to get a tune to fix. The powertrain gripes were justified, and Subaru already produces the 2.4T in mass volume, so it's an ideal choice.


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      01-13-2020 01:27 PM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by 88c900t View Post
      So, the Subaru platform isn't suited to RWD so they're using the...... Camry/Prius platform? Wut
      TNGA is vers.

      The Toyota New Global Architecture (TNGA) are modular unibody automobile platforms that underpin various Toyota and Lexus models starting with the fourth generation Prius in late 2015. TNGA platforms accommodate different vehicle sizes and also front-, rear- and all-wheel drive configurations.

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      01-13-2020 01:38 PM #39
      Why jump to the 2.4? Why not bump the hp numbers a few for the NA 2.0 and then add the 2.0 turbo as an option?

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      01-13-2020 01:40 PM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by TurboMinivan View Post
      Right. Because, as we all know, there is no room in that engine bay for a bigger engine.

      Not if they want to pass crash/pedestrian regulations.

      No need for an LS or even a turbo anyway. An NA FA24 with 10% more peak power, 20% more torque (with no dip) and the same revs is all the BRZ ever needed.

    17. 01-13-2020 02:39 PM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      Not if they want to pass crash/pedestrian regulations.
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      Such regulations are bull**** coz an SUV is gonna do a lot more damage to a pedestrian yet they’re perfectly legal.



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      01-13-2020 02:41 PM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by phatrs View Post
      Such regulations are bull**** coz an SUV is gonna do a lot more damage to a pedestrian yet they’re perfectly legal.



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      There have always been BS regulations out there. Same nonsense with the PT Cruiser being a "light truck" for fuel economy classifications. But BS or not, that's the game manufacturers have to play.

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      01-13-2020 02:44 PM #43
      Hmm. Maybe you could no longer ded?

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      01-13-2020 02:57 PM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by phatrs View Post
      Such regulations are bull**** coz an SUV is gonna do a lot more damage to a pedestrian yet they’re perfectly legal.



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      I don't make the rules man. Plus even without pedestrian regs there are other reasons not to put an LS in a BRZ. Front end crash = that LS is in your lap

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      01-13-2020 03:00 PM #45
      Quote Originally Posted by bnkrpt311 View Post
      Why jump to the 2.4? Why not bump the hp numbers a few for the NA 2.0 and then add the 2.0 turbo as an option?
      Because then people will complain if it has only 10 more hp than the old one. And 2 different engine options is tons of extra cost/complexity on the manufacturing end.
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      01-13-2020 03:10 PM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by bnkrpt311 View Post
      Why jump to the 2.4? Why not bump the hp numbers a few for the NA 2.0 and then add the 2.0 turbo as an option?
      The 2.4 has the same stroke as the 2.0 so I'd wager the engines are the same width. And like Saab dude said having 2 engine options for such a low volume low priced car doesn't make sense. Would be better to just have 1 engine option based on an existing high volume motor like before.

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      01-13-2020 03:33 PM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by 88c900t View Post
      Because then people will complain if it has only 10 more hp than the old one. And 2 different engine options is tons of extra cost/complexity on the manufacturing end.
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      The 2.4 has the same stroke as the 2.0 so I'd wager the engines are the same width. And like Saab dude said having 2 engine options for such a low volume low priced car doesn't make sense. Would be better to just have 1 engine option based on an existing high volume motor like before.
      I guess I was thinking the current WRX 2.0 would be perfect to drop in without making any changes. The 2.4 out of the Ascent will need changes before going into the twins. For those that still want the NA engine I would just make some minor power bumps like they typically do.

      Adding more power seems as simple as adding the turbo 2.0 and an XT trim level.

      I'm just throwing ideas out. If I was in charge I would just drop the WRX 2.0 in the twins and be done with it.
      Last edited by bnkrpt311; 01-13-2020 at 03:35 PM.

    24. 01-13-2020 03:53 PM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by bnkrpt311 View Post
      If I was in charge I would just drop the WRX 2.0 in the twins and be done with it.
      lol no thanks, id rather have the Camry engine

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      01-13-2020 04:29 PM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by EverthingIsTerrible View Post
      lol no thanks, id rather have the Camry engine
      Ok.

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      01-13-2020 04:34 PM #50
      Quote Originally Posted by EverthingIsTerrible View Post
      lol no thanks, id rather have the Camry engine
      so would i
      Quote Originally Posted by ice4life View Post
      Sounds great. Maybe I'm just a fascist and didn't know it.. I don't know if I even care anymore.

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