Kind of track dependent. The NASCAR track near my house actually favors cars that handle (especially with the new chicane), but the road course further away has a back straight that felt agonizingly long on my motorcycle. I really enjoyed the 86 around town... whipping it through roundabouts and back roads was fun, but that's a very small percentage of my driving.
I guess my point is this car is amazing if you can do the bulk of your driving on roads/tracks that complement its strengths. For most people I'd wager those opportunities are few and far between. But I don't think Toyobaru should kill what makes this car special to broaden its appeal. Literally all it needs is a couple hundred ccs more displacement and maybe some better NVH control.
Seriously though, I don't think the Miata's power bump had much influence on this. If anything, it has been the consistent bickering on Internet forums about the lack of torque, mostly by armchair typists that wouldn't buy such a car new anyway. Those that did vote with their wallet are obviously fine with it.
IMO, the 86 stands in a class of one. The Miata is a 2-door convertible with pure focus. 86 is trying to be the best all-round sports car that is actually small and not just kind of small. Also cheap. The only reason we compare it to the Miata is because that is what it is closest to in most every regard.
put me down as another vote for "twins don't need anything" they are great cars the way they are. my only real gripe with them is they have a Subaru motor, and its gonna take me a solid 10+ years to trust Subaru motors, they are all, ALL of them (besides the 2.2), junk.
thats why id still go ND every time. the brilliance of the miata has always been a simple, mass produced engine that is cheap to run, and reliable.
bespoke things, esp engines, are expensive, unreliable, hard to find parts for, etc etc.
thats why an understessed 2.4 NA engine would actually be a great motor for the twins. 220-230hp, more torque, even revving to like 6500-7000 would be perfect. a turbo would just be a non-starter for me.
It's one of the reasons I've never worried about replacing the K03 on the nevArlose - because it doesn't lag and I can still get punted around 4500.
But back to the twins, I guess I just appreciate the purity of them. Absolutely a bit more power would be nice, and the torque dip should go away. But overall, my comment is please don't **** them up. They are so wonderful the way they are.
To the track comments, hell to the yes. The BRZ is a totally different car at Waterford (basically a glorified gokart track) and an GingerMan (a big, open track with decently long straights that you can actually pull your turns out on). At Waterford, it's all about third gear. At GingerMan, you have to shift up a lot and you can use all of the power. Feeling the body at GingerMan is wonderful, at Waterford, it's lost in the shuffle of just trying to get around the track.
たくさんとうふ、よ Where did all these damn Toyotas come from?
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I'm skeptical that scaling this car up will really attract more buyers. I think it will make it more profitable on a per-unit basis, but if people just wanted a heavier coupe with more power, there are plenty out there to choose from.
And frankly, anybody beating the higher-output NA drum better have a 370Z in the driveway, because Nissan's been building your car for ten years.
Any car which holds together for a whole race is too heavy.
Interestingly, the 370Z and 86 are the exact same length: 4240mm. Yet, the 370Z weighs 600 pounds more! (~2800 vs ~3400).
370Z has terrible brakes, terrible steering, and a terrible interior. They are fat pigs that aren't fun to drive, because they weren't designed to be driven hard: after only 5 minutes up my local testing road, I glanced at the oil temp and it was 290
Sad to say, but I was thoroughly disappointed in that POS Shame, because they look good (on the outside) and on paper (350hp @ 7500 RPM for a Nismo). I wanted to love it, but ended up hating it.
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With a 4cyl Supra available in some markets, perhaps the 86 really doesn't need much more than a slight power bump (and smoothened out torque dip)Either way, the GT86 remains the car of choice in this class, and by quite some margin overall. Its chassis is still in a league of one when it comes to allowing you to indulge yourself on the public road. It’s sharp but forgiving, clean in its responses but also infinitely adjustable. The Toyota’s steering is also much sweeter and delivers a lot more feel through the rim than the others, and its gearbox is a thing of wonder. You need to use it a lot more often than you do in the Abarth, yes, but that’s all part of the game in the GT86, and it’s a game that takes you to another level on roads like this. Plus it has rear seats and a much bigger boot than the others into the bargain.
In the end the Toyota wins, and wins easily, as long as you don’t want top-down motoring, while the MX-5 remains as good as it ever was and the Abarth is maybe just a touch disappointing. Others may not agree, but some car is the GT86, always was, always will be.
Different horses for different courses.