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      09-21-2020 05:50 PM #17401
      Quote Originally Posted by Cabin Pics View Post
      Place of employment has tons of cases. I'm still coming to office, because I have to (my choice).

      We've graduated from just having sick people to carting out dead people this morning.

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      Aw, damn, Erik. Will anybody learn anything from it, though?


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      I pulled into the Walmart parking lot yesterday because I really needed a few things.
      It was packed like black Friday.
      So I cruised through and say only the employees wearing masks.
      Full parking lot and I didn't see a line trying to limit number inside.
      I just drove on through and left.
      Sad, because such indifference to safety mandates will just lead to mandates with enforcement.
      Thankfully, ours is pretty good, but I still only do curbside pickups there. I get a lot of our staples there, and go to a small local market, where they're strong about precautions and GTFO is you're not, for produce and some meats.
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      09-21-2020 05:55 PM #17402
      Quote Originally Posted by Sold Over Sticker View Post
      I visited Erik. I laughed. After living in the desert southwest, and traveling through the states you mentioned, I thought that I'd be prepared. Nah man. I was prepared at the airport a few hours away in rich Wal Mart town. I was prepared at lunch around the airport.

      Eriks town and the adjacent towns? I laughed. Nope a nope a nope. UT has nothing on that. There are Conservatives, like my Dad's side of the family. And there's the bible thumping crazies, which is what I saw in Eriksville.
      I have a friend who lived in SC, and he'd tell stories of the people there, notably the families living in a Ryder rental truck. His "best" story was the guy who cut his lawn. $10 to mow. Always paid in singles. One day he forgot to get the right cash so he gave the guy a $20. The guy goes, "this is it?"

      I am aware that people did get left behind. I don't particularly want to experience it.

      Speaking of people that got left behind. One time we ran through an Arbys for lunch in a farming town. We ordered the 5 for $5 deal. Apparently they were not one of the "at participating franchise's."

      The order exchange:

      "We'd like the 5 for $5 deal, 3 curly fries, and 3 cokes."
      "I'm sorry, but what was the first thing?"
      "5 sandwiches for $5?"
      "Yeah, ok, I'm sorry we don't have that."
      "5 for $5? Oh, ok. We'll take 5 roast beef sandwiches."
      "We don't have the 5 for $5."
      "Yeah, that's ok. We just want 5 sandwiches."
      "Sorry, sir, we don't have that 5 for $5 deal."
      "Yes. I would like to order 5 sandwiches. Whatever the price."
      "Ok, but we don't have the $5 deal."

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      09-21-2020 06:06 PM #17403
      Quote Originally Posted by DonL View Post
      Thankfully, ours is pretty good, but I still only do curbside pickups there. I get a lot of our staples there, and go to a small local market, where they're strong about precautions and GTFO is you're not, for produce and some meats.
      I'm in the land of the mask. The infection rates aren't zero but they're low enough that I'm willing to go into stores to food shop. It's pretty easy to keep 6' spacing. I wipe down the cart going in and use the hand sanitizer on the car door on the way out.

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      09-21-2020 07:26 PM #17404
      Quote Originally Posted by GreenandChrome View Post
      I am aware that people did get left behind. I don't particularly want to experience it.
      And they have continued to be left behind and are much worse off now. They just think they are better off because they can openly point at someone else and hold them down worse.


      Key coronavirus forecast predicts over 410,000 total U.S. deaths by Jan. 1: ‘The worst is yet to come’
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      09-21-2020 08:43 PM #17405
      Quote Originally Posted by Sold Over Sticker View Post
      Eriks town and the adjacent towns? I laughed. Nope a nope a nope. UT has nothing on that. There are Conservatives, like my Dad's side of the family. And there's the bible thumping crazies, which is what I saw in Eriksville.
      You should spend time out this way... when I was out Marshall side of the state, wellll... here's a sample of what you are getting ready for:

      https://web.archive.org/web/20110608...T18BI9885P196N

      (had to wayback that old forum, way out wayne is a helluva place)
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      09-21-2020 08:49 PM #17406
      Quote Originally Posted by spockcat View Post
      And they have continued to be left behind and are much worse off now. They just think they are better off because they can openly point at someone else and hold them down worse.


      Key coronavirus forecast predicts over 410,000 total U.S. deaths by Jan. 1: ‘The worst is yet to come’
      If the nursing homes follow protocol, I don't see how it gets to 410,000 by January 1. Most of the higher risk people have really cut back on their risk. We could certainly have a whole bunch more long haulers with severe symptoms but most people age 80+ or with chronic health problems have removed themselves from the worst of the risk.

      In my zip code, the state takes over the failed school systems where kids are being left behind. I guess that's a blue state thing. It's not perfect but the state really tries to make sure as few people as possible get left behind.
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      09-21-2020 08:52 PM #17407
      Ex-Nashville council member, a coronavirus skeptic, dies from Covid-19

      Tony Tenpenny had been in the hospital for more than a month before succumbing to the deadly virus he questioned.

      A former Nashville, Tennessee, council member, who believed the threat of the coronavirus was being radically overblown, died from complications from Covid-19, officials said Monday.

      The man, Tony Tenpenny, died over the weekend after more than five weeks in the hospital fighting the virus that has sickened more than 6.8 million people in the U.S. and killed at least 200,000 others, Nashville Vice Mayor Jim Shulman said.

      Nashville Mayor John Cooper, who wears a mask in his Twitter profile picture, said in a statement: "I am deeply saddened to hear of the passing of former councilman Tony Tenpenny. I send my condolences to his wife, Robbie, their son Ira and the rest of the Tenpenny family."

      Tenpenny, 57, was a member of the Metropolitan Council, which governs the city of Nashville and Davidson County. He represented District 16, neighborhoods south of downtown Nashville, for one term before losing his bid for re-election in 2015.

      Over the past several months, Tenpenny had been very active on social media voicing his support for President Donald Trump and his opposition to the Black Lives Matter movement and expressing extreme skepticism about the coronavirus.

      On May 30, Tenpenny posted a statement on Facebook falsely attributed to former Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., putting forward conspiracy theories that the virus is nothing more than a political trick to derail Trump's re-election bid.

      Gowdy did not make such a statement, and Facebook labeled Tenpenny's reposting as "false information."

      Then, on June 29, Tenpenny posted a meme that equated wearing a mask to being "manipulated to live in irrational fear" and willing "to be controlled by a socialist agenda."

      And on July 7, he wrote that "the CDC and the WHO are pure lying (expletive)" and that public health officials are "not telling you the truth."

      Tenpenny made more than a dozen posts stating or sharing Covid-19 disinformation, including video from a Texas doctor who peddled dangerous theories about the virus, linking its cause to demons. Facebook flagged the July 29 posing by Tenpenny as "Partly False Information."

      Tenpenny ran again for the District 16 seat again last year and lost by 4 percentage points to council member Ginny Welsch.

      "The message to me is that Covid is no joke, it knows no boundary, and no matter what you might believe, it doesn't care," Welsch said in a statement Monday. "Anyone can be felled by it. Not taking the precautions we know work to slow the spread is like playing Russian roulette. You are risking your life and the lives of those around you."

      Shulman, the vice mayor, said that he and Tenpenny rarely agreed on issues but that he believed Tenpenny made sincere efforts to "try to get along with as many people as possible."
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      09-21-2020 08:56 PM #17408
      I got tested for the first time on Friday. Went to a standard phlebotomy lab. It wasn't nearly as bad as people made it out to be.

      It was pretty gross though because I have been a bit congested, and my tech was really digging in my brain.

      What was pretty scary to me though was the PPE the lab technicians were wearing.

      Cheap 5¢ surgical masks, no eye protection, no gloves, or scrubs, besides when they were actively testing.

      Meanwhile I am sitting there in a n95 with gloves and prescription safety glasses.

      For a place where they deal with potential CV patients all day, it seemed very lax. I got out as quick as I could.

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      09-21-2020 09:07 PM #17409
      Heard from a cousin in Brazil. They lost her Mom (my aunt) on Firday to Covid. She lived with my cousin, her husband, and two college aged kids - the entire family was hospitalized with the ranging from 1-3 weeks. It's raging there.

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      09-21-2020 09:28 PM #17410
      Quote Originally Posted by robr2 View Post
      Heard from a cousin in Brazil. They lost her Mom (my aunt) on Firday to Covid. She lived with my cousin, her husband, and two college aged kids - the entire family was hospitalized with the ranging from 1-3 weeks. It's raging there.
      Looks like France has lost any control as their cases are skyrocketing.
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      09-21-2020 09:57 PM #17411
      Quote Originally Posted by HI SPEED View Post
      I got tested for the first time on Friday. Went to a standard phlebotomy lab. It wasn't nearly as bad as people made it out to be.

      It was pretty gross though because I have been a bit congested, and my tech was really digging in my brain.

      What was pretty scary to me though was the PPE the lab technicians were wearing.

      Cheap 5¢ surgical masks, no eye protection, no gloves, or scrubs, besides when they were actively testing.

      Meanwhile I am sitting there in a n95 with gloves and prescription safety glasses.

      For a place where they deal with potential CV patients all day, it seemed very lax. I got out as quick as I could.
      My test wasn't that bad I think the paperwork said the newer test only needed to go less than 2 inches in the nostril?
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      09-21-2020 11:02 PM #17412
      Quote Originally Posted by GeoffD View Post
      If the nursing homes follow protocol, I don't see how it gets to 410,000 by January 1. Most of the higher risk people have really cut back on their risk. We could certainly have a whole bunch more long haulers with severe symptoms but most people age 80+ or with chronic health problems have removed themselves from the worst of the risk.
      I really hope so but all it takes is one worker from the outside to cause havoc in these ALFs (example the nursing home worker that caught it at Maine wedding and proceeded to inflect dozens at their work, killing 7 people)

      Really impressed how the state of MA is doing - Last week only 4 non-ALF deaths per day. But still over 80% of the deaths are coming out of these "supposed" isolated ALF locations in the last month, feel not enough is being done nor not enough public pressure to address it.

      For public folks over the age of 70, the city is now doing delivery of medications and food once a day so they dont have to leave the house. Two neighbors are doing it and feel much safer. The delivery driver told me she has over 300 people signed up and its all funded through donations - Gladly sent in money this evening to keep it going. We need to rally around these people impacted the most.
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      09-21-2020 11:15 PM #17413
      Quote Originally Posted by OttaCee View Post
      For public folks over the age of 70, the city is now doing delivery of medications and food once a day so they dont have to leave the house. ...its all funded through donations - Gladly sent in money this evening to keep it going. We need to rally around these people impacted the most.
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      09-21-2020 11:20 PM #17414
      Quote Originally Posted by HI SPEED View Post
      I got tested for the first time on Friday. Went to a standard phlebotomy lab. It wasn't nearly as bad as people made it out to be.

      It was pretty gross though because I have been a bit congested, and my tech was really digging in my brain.

      What was pretty scary to me though was the PPE the lab technicians were wearing.

      Cheap 5¢ surgical masks, no eye protection, no gloves, or scrubs, besides when they were actively testing.

      Meanwhile I am sitting there in a n95 with gloves and prescription safety glasses.

      For a place where they deal with potential CV patients all day, it seemed very lax. I got out as quick as I could.
      That’s crazy and scary. When I got tested at a drive thru testing place the testers were wearing full hazmat suits with face shield helmets and and a filtered breathing apparatus on their backs.

      Quote Originally Posted by A.Wilder View Post
      My test wasn't that bad I think the paperwork said the newer test only needed to go less than 2 inches in the nostril?
      Here there are two types of tests (that I know of). My wife got the shallow dig, I got the deep scrape. We both went at the same time, a drive thru testing place at the hospital clinic up the road. I was exposed directly from a coworker and sort of had symptoms. She did not but got tested anyways.
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      09-21-2020 11:43 PM #17415
      Quote Originally Posted by HI SPEED View Post
      I got tested for the first time on Friday. Went to a standard phlebotomy lab. It wasn't nearly as bad as people made it out to be.

      It was pretty gross though because I have been a bit congested, and my tech was really digging in my brain.

      What was pretty scary to me though was the PPE the lab technicians were wearing.

      Cheap 5¢ surgical masks, no eye protection, no gloves, or scrubs, besides when they were actively testing.

      Meanwhile I am sitting there in a n95 with gloves and prescription safety glasses.

      For a place where they deal with potential CV patients all day, it seemed very lax. I got out as quick as I could.
      not scary if you know how COVID is transmitted.

      my wife went in to urgent care today for day 4 of migraine and they made her put on the thin disposable mask, not the one she wore.
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      09-21-2020 11:57 PM #17416
      Quote Originally Posted by Code Red! View Post
      You should spend time out this way... when I was out Marshall side of the state, wellll... here's a sample of what you are getting ready for:

      https://web.archive.org/web/20110608...T18BI9885P196N

      (had to wayback that old forum, way out wayne is a helluva place)
      That was painful and funny the entire time.

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      09-22-2020 07:36 AM #17417
      Quote Originally Posted by Sold Over Sticker View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by Code Red! View Post
      You should spend time out this way... when I was out Marshall side of the state, wellll... here's a sample of what you are getting ready for:

      https://web.archive.org/web/20110608...T18BI9885P196N

      (had to wayback that old forum, way out wayne is a helluva place)
      That was painful and funny the entire time.

      It's obvious the tooth brush was invented in West Virginia. If it was invented anywhere else we'd call it a "teeth brush."
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      09-22-2020 07:55 AM #17418
      Don't think this was posted but... https://sportscar365.com/other-serie...e-covid-tests/

      Porsche pulls 9 drivers from N24 after Le Mans. I was watching the race over the weekend thinking.. this is NOT a good idea and going to be a super spreader event of some sort. Sure enough....

      Sounds like a bunch of other N24 teams have pulled out of the race due to positive tests of drivers and other team members.

      F*ck this stupid virus...

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      09-22-2020 08:00 AM #17419
      Ten miles out side of Savannah there were tar paper shacks and shanties that were lived in. It was sad.

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      09-22-2020 08:29 AM #17420
      Chilling with the neighbors a little bit before dinner last night, and after we left a mask discussion happened between two of the wives.

      Wife #1: The only reason we wear masks is to keep us from touching our faces.
      Wife #2: No.... it's to keep the airborne transmission down, to keep us from giving it to each other......
      W1: (sigh) is that what they say on the Democratic news?
      W2: Uh, no.. They've been saying that on every news.
      W1: Of all the times I have been in the OR, the only reason we didn't get sick is because we washed our hands.

      W1 is a recently retired (2018) anesthesia nurse or something.

      Holy ****.

      I'm a little disappointed that I wasn't still out there BECAUSE OH MY GOD I MUST LEARN where she is getting her information. How in the world is someone with a career in the medical field so disconnected????

      I need to know if:

      1) She's going on information she read six months ago (Like the people that are still echoing the CDC's recommendations to leave the masks for the front like workers back in March)
      2) There is some currently some extreme right outlet (or pundit) broadcasting this.
      3) Her "news" is from Facebook and she's scrolling through garbage from 1 & 2.

      This is where I go with these types of discussions now. You can't change their mind, but you can at least know the source of their stupid. I know that doesn't help, but it makes me sleep better at night knowing that I didn't bother arguing with a ****ing moron.

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      09-22-2020 10:06 AM #17421
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      W1: (sigh) is that what they say on the Democratic news?
      The irony that these rubes believe the population at large is being indoctrinated by the mAiNsTrEaM mEdIa - when they solely absorb information from a combination of AM radio, Fox News, or Facebook memes - is almost too much to bear.

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      09-22-2020 10:12 AM #17422
      Quote Originally Posted by vwbrvr6 View Post
      Looks like France has lost any control as their cases are skyrocketing.
      Same in the UK. Johnson just implemented some restrictions but nothing near what was done in the spring. They had 4300 positive tests yesterday and doubling every week. Without restrictions, they could have 49K daily cases by mid October. My understanding is that they hope what they implemented will allow them to reduce the growth rate until the school holiday which is the last week of October. They idea is that if schools are closed for a week, then adding a second week with full shutdown for the period will be helpful.

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      09-22-2020 10:23 AM #17423
      Sure would have been nice if the 22,000 backlogged cases reported yesterday had been on the roles when decisions were being made about school reopenings.

      Improving the signal-to-noise ratio

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      09-22-2020 10:38 AM #17424
      A big concern I have with projections like that is that Trump's litmus test for the next SCOTUS judge is whether or not they'll be willing to overturn ACA. So, here we are, in a pandemic, and they want to overturn a law that helped millions of Americans get health insurance. I don't understand how they can consider that at this point with a clear conscious. And it's not like they have a replacement plan, they have nothing on the table that would take its place. But the stock market seems to be doing well for the wealthy, so they have that going for them, I guess.
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      09-22-2020 10:40 AM #17425
      Quote Originally Posted by @McMike View Post
      Chilling with the neighbors a little bit before dinner last night, and after we left a mask discussion happened between two of the wives.

      Wife #1: The only reason we wear masks is to keep us from touching our faces.
      Wife #2: No.... it's to keep the airborne transmission down, to keep us from giving it to each other......
      W1: (sigh) is that what they say on the Democratic news?
      W2: Uh, no.. They've been saying that on every news.
      W1: Of all the times I have been in the OR, the only reason we didn't get sick is because we washed our hands.

      W1 is a recently retired (2018) anesthesia nurse or something.

      Holy ****.

      I'm a little disappointed that I wasn't still out there BECAUSE OH MY GOD I MUST LEARN where she is getting her information. How in the world is someone with a career in the medical field so disconnected????

      I need to know if:

      1) She's going on information she read six months ago (Like the people that are still echoing the CDC's recommendations to leave the masks for the front like workers back in March)
      2) There is some currently some extreme right outlet (or pundit) broadcasting this.
      3) Her "news" is from Facebook and she's scrolling through garbage from 1 & 2.

      This is where I go with these types of discussions now. You can't change their mind, but you can at least know the source of their stupid. I know that doesn't help, but it makes me sleep better at night knowing that I didn't bother arguing with a ****ing moron.
      I won't even entertain arguing with people who dispute the seriousness or spread misinformation or people who cite extreme real, fake news sites(PJmedia, etc.) anymore. Just won't tolerate it. My last 6+ months now in my day job has been dealing with the impacts of Covid. The pathetic and corrupt federal response(no really..they have been THAT bad and worse) has driven me and others up the wall. I am worried about the combination of flu season and Covid mixing. Look to South America right now to see what we could be hit with. Fortunately where I live the numbers are good, but it's still there and hasn't gone away. Now the "red" states are really getting the brunt of this which puts strains on local services which just can't handle it.

      2020 just can't end soon enough.

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