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    1. 02-09-2020 10:51 AM #1
      I'm in search for an R32, browsing and seeing listings with mileage up to 200K. None below 100K. It's my understanding the VR6 is pretty robust without major issues, keeping up with maintenance of course. But what about the rest of the car?

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      02-09-2020 10:55 AM #2
      Anything above 100k miles you’re gonna want to be ready for regular high mileage maintenance. That being mostly mounts, bushings, leaks, etc. personally I would say finding one around the 150k range is a prime spot for a lot of them right now. You could probably find some lower than that. Definitely ask if the chains have been done and for receipts. For the most part these engines go for a long time as long as they’re maintained.

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      02-09-2020 11:03 AM #3
      Agree. I bought mine September of 18 with 144kish on the body but the engine had been rebuilt top to bottom at 138k (8 months prior). The engine is holding strong now at 159k on the body but within the first six months I had power steering, alternator, air conditioner, basically every accessory on the belt went bad or got changed, including harmonic balancer. Also have done suspension bushings here and there. It's not perfect but it's pretty good now. So be prepared for accessories to go.

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      02-09-2020 11:03 AM #4
      Regular high maintenance is just a word for upgrade opportunity


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    7. 02-09-2020 11:10 AM #5
      Are the timing chains something to be cautious about? The regular maintenance I'm not too worried about, as long as all the parts are still readily available.

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      02-09-2020 11:12 AM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by james9120 View Post
      Are the timing chains something to be cautious about? The regular maintenance I'm not too worried about, as long as all the parts are still readily available.
      The timing chain guides are made of plastic. Over time and at higher mileage the plastic guides fall apart and then the chains get too much play and snap causing catastrophic engine failure. Most people do the chains and guides around 100k miles. Personally I’m at 160k on the original chains. Typically people do the chains and clutch at the same time because “while you’re in there”

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      02-09-2020 11:54 AM #7
      I did mine at 125k


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      02-09-2020 11:16 PM #8
      About to do mine at ~115k.. but just out of while I’m in there.. not because of noise or chain stretch via VAGCOM.. I know there are a lot of people who have gone 200k+ on original chains and guides but, some need it some don’t i think.. I guess I’d put it this way, unless I heard some awful marbles in the can, I wouldn’t worry about it til she starts making noise.. good thing is they give you warning


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    11. 02-09-2020 11:38 PM #9
      What are you guys up to in mileage? There’s one local for sale about to break 200K. Claims one owner and every service record available. 200k in any other car and I’d run away.. but R32 so

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      02-10-2020 09:24 AM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by james9120 View Post
      What are you guys up to in mileage? There’s one local for sale about to break 200K. Claims one owner and every service record available. 200k in any other car and I’d run away.. but R32 so
      I'm at 175k miles, chain has been done like 15k miles ago they weren't making noise but I switched out the clutch so I went ahead and did it.

      It's no longer my daily driver so I just take it out at times, the number of things I've changed out during the time I've owned it.

      -Motor Mounts
      -shifter bushings
      -shocks/spirngs
      -clutch
      -timing chain
      -temp sensor
      -crank sensor
      -heater core
      -ac compressor
      -sway bar bushings
      -front wheel bearings
      -front axles
      -clutch
      -flywheel
      -valve cover gasket
      -most of the ignition coils

      I'm pretty sure I'm missing some stuff but that's all I've change probably in the last 2-3 years. I did it all myself

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      02-10-2020 06:00 PM #11
      I'm around 96k, and she's for sale, and VCDS shows chains are still within spec.

      To reiterate what others have said: Some will claim that VW says the chains are lifetime. Even _if_ that's the case, the plastic guides become the weak (heh) link. Mine has the original clutch, and I imagine it'll be due in the near future. Do the chains at the same time, getting to one gets you to the other, so consider it preventative maintenance. The only thing is make sure the shop doesn't charge you full labor for both; their "book time" will quote you full labor charge for each job, but that's assuming each job is done individually.

      Also, at this point I generally recommend to anyone to just go ahead and do motor mounts (mine are still OEM, fwiw) since they're rubber and have been compressed by a heavy iron block for 16 years, so just knock 'em out.

      Otherwise, keep up on maintenance and they're reliable cars. They've got quirks and some known problems, but they're _known_. You're in the right forum, you've got original owners here, you've got long time owners on their 2nd or 3rd, but the combined knowledge here is utterly mindblowning. I don't know if any other vertical in on vwvortex is as thoroughly and complete as this one. Keeping it alive and online mechanically is well within reason. Now, please, buy my car, I want my garage space back.
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      02-10-2020 07:59 PM #12
      original owner, 196000 miles. alternator is out, and i hear marbles in the can. guess i'll do the clutch as well, since its original. did one heater core some time back, now its leaking again, considering a by-pass this time. other than that, one rear wheel bearing, one fuel pump, did a water pump and belt tensioner a while back just 'cause. one radiator fan. tires, brakes, struts and shocks, many oil changes. favorite car of many over the years (although i did love my '71 240z).
      guess i'll keep her a while longer.

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      02-11-2020 03:20 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by sprag View Post
      original owner, 196000 miles. alternator is out, and i hear marbles in the can. guess i'll do the clutch as well, since its original.
      196k on the _original_ clutch???!
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      02-11-2020 04:44 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by Auzlndr View Post
      196k on the _original_ clutch???!
      I’m at 160k on original clutch and see no signs of needing to replace it any time soon

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      02-11-2020 05:36 PM #15
      If the car is driven right, over 200k miles would make plenty of sense on the original clutch I think but, maybe that’s just me


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      02-12-2020 10:06 AM #16
      yep.

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      02-14-2020 07:07 AM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by Auzlndr View Post
      196k on the _original_ clutch???!
      My 2001 GTI got 207K miles on original clutch before I sold it to a dealer for 4K.

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      02-14-2020 11:19 AM #18
      Personally my theory on chains is as long as there are oil change records from new; with Quality oil and filters at 5k or less intervals the chains aren't a issue. I have 177k on my R32 the chains are within spec on vagcom, there are no weird noises and its on the original clutch also. Its had a couple sets of ball joints, a set of tie rod ends and bushings all around. as for accessories only the A/C Compressor has needed done. There is a slight Rear main seal leak but Ill tackle that when its due for a clutch. These are robust cars just find one that's been taken care of and has records.
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      02-14-2020 01:47 PM #19
      No amount of oil changing is going to prevent plastic chain guides/tensioner from becoming brittle and disintegrating. Even if the chains are fine, the plastic is the

      ...

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      weak link.
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      02-14-2020 11:44 PM #20
      I had my chains replaced at 135k and they were perfectly in spec. I believe both cams were reading 0-1 degree at idle with the wear limit at 8 degrees. When the car was disassembled, one of the guides was broken off and just waiting to go around the crank and skip timing. The cam adjustment readings only factor the chain stretch, not the condition of the plastic.

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