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      02-13-2020 05:00 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Russells View Post
      Yes it is, but it's more complicated than that. Anything upstream of O2 sensors (and there are probably pressure differential sensors on OPF's as well) you can't just remove. Go cut the cats out of your Stelvio, replace them with plain pipes and let me know what happens.
      but what if it already has a CEL

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      02-13-2020 05:01 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by absoluteczech View Post
      but what if it already has a CEL
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      02-14-2020 03:08 AM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by absoluteczech View Post
      but what if it already has a CEL

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      02-14-2020 06:08 AM #29
      P car owners and their damn OCD

      At least I know there is a resource available if I ever want to find the right seat belt color on my GT4.

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      02-14-2020 08:38 AM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by bzcat View Post
      P car owners and their damn OCD

      At least I know there is a resource available if I ever want to find the right seat belt color on my GT4.
      everyone is very unique with their options on rennlist

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      02-14-2020 08:45 AM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Russells View Post
      Well you're not removing OPF without a tune, and I would imagine resale tanks when there is a tune on a Porsche GT product.
      No, we (the customer) are not but the factory is. The US will not have the same exhaust as europe, IIRC. The reviews I've seen of this car have stated as much anyway.

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      02-14-2020 09:48 AM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by 6cylVWguy View Post
      No, we (the customer) are not but the factory is. The US will not have the same exhaust as europe, IIRC. The reviews I've seen of this car have stated as much anyway.

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      Correct, the North American GT4, Spyder, and GTS will be significantly louder than the European versions. I couldn't find any sound clips online on NA versions of the car yet though.

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      02-14-2020 09:48 AM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by Harv View Post
      They are going to keep dropping now that the 718 GT4 is almost here. Once everyone trades theirs in, they'll get into the 60s for cars with track mileage on them. However, I doubt we'll see them go further.

      7k miles with buckets. $79,000.

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      If the economy stays strong and lots of people buy the 4.0 718 then the 981s will drop a good bit more. Sweet spot will be 8-10 years hitting bottom of market like most Porsches.


      Quote Originally Posted by Fined View Post
      981 GT4 values will drop down to at least the 60s over time. Higher mileage cars will likely end up in the 50s. It'll end up being the cheapest GT series car that money can buy.
      Quote Originally Posted by masa8888 View Post
      I also think they'll bottom in the high 60's, low 70's range. I think 991 and newer GT3's will continue depreciating quicker than 997 and 996 GT3's, and bottom in the 80-90k range.

      Comes down to production numbers.

      996.1 GT3 - 1,868
      996.2 GT3 - 2,313
      996.2 GT3 RS - 682
      Total 996 - 4,863

      997.1 GT3 - 2,378
      997.1 GT3 RS - 1,106
      997.2 GT3 - 2,256
      997.2 GT3 RS - 2,000
      997.2 GT3 RS 4.0 - 600
      Total 997 - 8,340

      991.1 GT3 - 6,300
      991.1 GT3 RS - 4,500
      991.2 GT3 - 9,500
      991.2 GT3 RS - 4,880
      Total 991 - 25,180

      981 GT4 production numbers are hard to find, but I think they sold 2,400 units in the US alone, so probably at least double that for global production. If the jump from 991.1 to .2 GT3 sales are any indication, I would bet that we see at least a 40-50% increase in 718 GT4 sales.

      There big thing that is quickly pushing down the prices is the numbers of the 991's, the 997 GT3's were creeping up and up with the 991.1 only PDK, when they brought back the manual and the GT4 that has pushed prices down considerably over the past two years. Cars that use to sell for close to MSRP at ten years old are now back into the 70's. 997 GT3RS's are down about 20% as many are jumping into new tech.

      Same thing happens with Turbos, with the 997tt's now taking more hits as guys sell them to get into 991's with the 992's incoming. 996tt's are creeping up in value but there are still a lot of cars out there that need maintenance done, this is where lots of guys throw in the towel and move on. The same applies to the GT4's, the natural progression for most owners of GT4's is into a GT3. A lot of older 996 GT3 guys jump up to the GT4's or 997's. Around 1000 996 GT3's were made for USA, they still are easy to find and hold around the 45-75k range depending on mile and abuse.

      Personal observation is the GT market got way hot in 2015-2018, last year it cooled a bit and will do so more going into an election. There are a lot of Porsches for sale at the moment from lots of people that continue to buy new ones, which is good for many of us that buy used ones to get into the brand. However it has a feeling about it that many are liquidating cars and moving money into other things as the hype is dying down a bit.


      Just my $.02

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      02-14-2020 10:03 AM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by 6cylVWguy View Post
      No, we (the customer) are not but the factory is. The US will not have the same exhaust as europe, IIRC. The reviews I've seen of this car have stated as much anyway.

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      Quote Originally Posted by masa8888 View Post
      Correct, the North American GT4, Spyder, and GTS will be significantly louder than the European versions. I couldn't find any sound clips online on NA versions of the car yet though.
      I've been closely following things with the GT4/Spyder and this is actually thought to be false.
      There are some markets already that have the same emissions cars as the US, and the OPF is still included (physically).

      The main difference is actually in the surface coating inside of the OPF.
      The EU cars have a special coating which scrubs the exhaust, whereas the US cars will not have that coating on the OPF, rendering it inert emissions-wise - but still affecting the exhaust sound the same way.
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      02-14-2020 10:34 AM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by TheDeckMan View Post
      If the economy stays strong and lots of people buy the 4.0 718 then the 981s will drop a good bit more. Sweet spot will be 8-10 years hitting bottom of market like most Porsches.







      There big thing that is quickly pushing down the prices is the numbers of the 991's, the 997 GT3's were creeping up and up with the 991.1 only PDK, when they brought back the manual and the GT4 that has pushed prices down considerably over the past two years. Cars that use to sell for close to MSRP at ten years old are now back into the 70's. 997 GT3RS's are down about 20% as many are jumping into new tech.

      Same thing happens with Turbos, with the 997tt's now taking more hits as guys sell them to get into 991's with the 992's incoming. 996tt's are creeping up in value but there are still a lot of cars out there that need maintenance done, this is where lots of guys throw in the towel and move on. The same applies to the GT4's, the natural progression for most owners of GT4's is into a GT3. A lot of older 996 GT3 guys jump up to the GT4's or 997's. Around 1000 996 GT3's were made for USA, they still are easy to find and hold around the 45-75k range depending on mile and abuse.

      Personal observation is the GT market got way hot in 2015-2018, last year it cooled a bit and will do so more going into an election. There are a lot of Porsches for sale at the moment from lots of people that continue to buy new ones, which is good for many of us that buy used ones to get into the brand. However it has a feeling about it that many are liquidating cars and moving money into other things as the hype is dying down a bit.


      Just my $.02
      Here i am trying to find a lowly partsbin manual T for awhile, which seems a lot more difficult but so many gt for sale, so many. Also hard to think why someone is selling at this price point, personally, i liquidated vehicles at bottom of stock market dozen years ago (worse time but pay off in end was better)

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      02-14-2020 11:00 AM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by rich! View Post
      Here i am trying to find a lowly partsbin manual T for awhile, which seems a lot more difficult but so many gt for sale, so many. Also hard to think why someone is selling at this price point, personally, i liquidated vehicles at bottom of stock market dozen years ago (worse time but pay off in end was better)
      Yeah the T's do seem to hold value quite well. Being a Turbo guy at heart the T embodies a new version of what the 996tt is.

      The volume of the GT cars for sale really kicked into high gear last year and thus the prices have been dropping. This time in 2019 the 991.2 GT3's were going for 20k over MSRP and people were eating it up, the announcement from Porsche that they are going to keep making manual GT cars could have a lot to do with the price drop and correction. 140k now gets you into a low mile 991.2 GT3 or for ~95-115k 991.1 PDK car, with the 991.1RS in between. Not everyone has a 10 car garage too, something to consider as I know a lot of guys that cycle through cars moving up the rungs every year or two.

      The 911 market sell offs normally seem to start 1-2 years prior to a stock market correction/election cycle not to make this political. When the housing market is down top versions like the 911 Turbo/GT3 also take a hit it seems. The pressure of the debt on school loans/car loans, potentially will bring prices down as borrowing money for a purchase of a car will become harder, thus people will lower the price to sell vs holding out for a buyer that takes a loan and throws down cash on the sale.

      I always say, buy a car because you want to drive it. If you buy because it wont depreciate, well then the maintenance has not been considered (cough engine out service*, broken strut housing*, pinion bearing wear*). All it takes is a single $5,000-10,000 repair and your investment is moot.


      981 GT4's will continue fall most likely for several more years as newer model and tech come out, other pressure will be the number of GT3's out there as a GT4 is not a "911" so many will buy into that. The gear box issue and the strut housing fears will weigh also on the market for a while until more miles are seen on the cars. $50-60k would most likely be the bottom of the market on the GT4's when they are in the 8-12yr age range, as they get cheaper and more disposable they will become more and more into track cars and thus the good ones will be harder to find and will increase in value.
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