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      03-20-2020 06:02 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by StressStrain View Post
      This is an interesting take.

      You wouldn't like another 50ish peak HP and 100+ ft-lbs all over?
      Nope. Is 350 HP really not enough for a street car?

      Hell, I'd even take a car with less power if it sounded better (i.e. a 981 Cayman with the 2.8L engine).

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      03-20-2020 06:29 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by Canaletto View Post
      I have exactly zero confidence that a new Z would be better than the existing one. Putting a turbo-charged engine in it would be enough to kill any desire to own one, for me.
      A Twin Turbo Z isn’t exactly sacrilege here... I agree a 4 would be, but not a Turbo 6.

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      03-20-2020 06:37 PM #28
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      Nissan has a real opportunity to launch something with much better styling than the 370Z.
      No way they have the balls to make anything like this.

      I'm gonna picture a 2 door RWD sentra.

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      03-20-2020 07:01 PM #29


      I really wanted one of these back in 1990/91-ish. If they could make the new one look something like this I might make it my middle-age-crisis car.

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      03-20-2020 07:50 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by rick8018 View Post


      I really wanted one of these back in 1990/91-ish. If they could make the new one look something like this I might make it my middle-age-crisis car.
      This model of Z (Z32) still not see as a classic Z yet. Future Z need to survive with a retro design of the 240Z before to have a chance of a retro design of Z32.
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      03-21-2020 12:20 AM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by StressStrain View Post
      This is an interesting take.

      You wouldn't like another 50ish peak HP and 100+ ft-lbs all over?
      Not if I had to go to turbocharging to do it. Especially if I was planning on keeping the thing long-term.

      Lease? Maybe.
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      03-21-2020 08:50 AM #32
      I loved the Z32, but I agree the new car needs to be more retro styled.

      I have no issue with turbos either.

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      03-21-2020 09:12 AM #33
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      "Of course that's just my opinion; I could be wrong."

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      03-21-2020 09:36 AM #34
      If the next generation Z was powered by a variant of the Leaf power train, Nissan would be able to sell it for 10 years.

      The Leaf already makes much more torque than a Z. Or at least it could. I'd think it could completely beat an ICE in every performance metric. It probably needs to be modified to be better on the track.

      Most customers don't want to road trip or tow. It's got to have a decent range, but nothing unreasonable. Batteries are about 5% cheaper every year, so it makes the price target, and becomes more profitable year after year.

      Start with a base model that's just a hair faster than the new Corvette 0-60, then introduce the fast model later.

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      03-21-2020 10:45 AM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by Canaletto View Post
      Nope. Is 350 HP really not enough for a street car?

      Hell, I'd even take a car with less power if it sounded better (i.e. a 981 Cayman with the 2.8L engine).

      I think we had a poll here recently and most agreed that ~450HP is the sweet spot for the street. It is to me, as well. Anything more and traction becomes a real issue.

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      03-21-2020 12:42 PM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by fireside View Post
      I think we had a poll here recently and most agreed that ~450HP is the sweet spot for the street. It is to me, as well. Anything more and traction becomes a real issue.
      450hp is almost completely unusable on the street unless you live in an area with generous B roads. I would argue 350 is actually a sweet spot. Fast, but not too fast.
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      03-21-2020 12:45 PM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by Elite_Deforce View Post
      450hp is almost completely unusable on the street unless you live in an area with generous B roads.
      ...and no law enforcement.

      I'd rather they go retro by making it lighter and with more greenhouse. Screw these super high belt line trends.

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      03-21-2020 01:04 PM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by Blonde Guy View Post
      Start with a base model that's just a hair faster than the new Corvette 0-60, then introduce the fast model later.
      Corvette? that's a $60k+/0-60 in 3 seconds market, I disagree.

      I think this should aim straight at Supra, Mustang, and Camaro.

      If Nissan wants to play with the Corvette then an all-new GTR makes more sense to me.


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      03-21-2020 01:16 PM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by troyguitar View Post
      ...and no law enforcement.

      I'd rather they go retro by making it lighter and with more greenhouse. Screw these super high belt line trends.
      Probably not going to be very possible with modern safety standards. High belt lines are here to stay.
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      03-21-2020 01:39 PM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by Elite_Deforce View Post
      450hp is almost completely unusable on the street unless you live in an area with generous B roads. I would argue 350 is actually a sweet spot. Fast, but not too fast.
      Better put an intake restrictor plate on that 5.0 Mustang ya got there, bub. You're about 62 horsepower too high.

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      03-21-2020 04:27 PM #41
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      03-22-2020 12:23 AM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by fireside View Post
      Better put an intake restrictor plate on that 5.0 Mustang ya got there, bub. You're about 62 horsepower too high.
      Where do you think my opinion comes from?
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      03-22-2020 06:58 AM #43
      I'm paying attention to this, and I'm really curious what Nissan is going to do here. A lot of potential for a really awesome car, and almost an equal chance at getting a completely late automatic only POS.

      We'll see, I have my fingers crossed that a true BRZ / GT86 competitor emerges from this.
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      03-22-2020 11:07 AM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by Elite_Deforce View Post
      450hp is almost completely unusable on the street unless you live in an area with generous B roads. I would argue 350 is actually a sweet spot. Fast, but not too fast.
      I do agree that there is an upper limit for useful power output for a primarily street driven car. It gets a little murky when you have some very heavy cars like US domestics such as the Hellcat, but in terms of a sports car (which necessitates low weight, per the definition) there is definitely a ceiling which has already been reached. For my own personal driving enjoyment, I'm far more interested in a lighter car with moderate power than a heavier car with greater horsepower.

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      03-22-2020 12:31 PM #45
      We could debate endlessly what is a sufficient amount of HP for the street, I'll just say for my "family" car, an ECU/DSG tuned S4 (~400HP) is not enough power. For a daily driving sedan with AWD, my general criteria if I'm buying today would be under 4000lbs and over 450HP, without AWD under 3800lbs. Right now I think only Mercedes (AMG 63's), Alfa (Quadrifoglio) and Cadillac (the prior, SC'd V models) really hit that mark, with BMW and Audi coming somewhat close with the M4/RS4.

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      03-22-2020 12:39 PM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by Elite_Deforce View Post
      450hp is almost completely unusable on the street unless you live in an area with generous B roads. I would argue 350 is actually a sweet spot. Fast, but not too fast.
      I have a 485hp 4,000lb sedan, and a 400 hp 3,000lb sports car. Both are completely usable on the street. What do you think you can't do with them?

      I have never understood TCL's "anything faster than X or more horsepower than Y isn't good for the street" logic. I'm happy to hear your side though!
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      03-22-2020 12:41 PM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by rudyr View Post
      We could debate endlessly what is a sufficient amount of HP for the street, I'll just say for my "family" car, an ECU/DSG tuned S4 (~400HP) is not enough power. For a daily driving sedan with AWD, my general criteria if I'm buying today would be under 4000lbs and over 450HP, without AWD under 3800lbs. Right now I think only Mercedes (AMG 63's), Alfa (Quadrifoglio) and Cadillac (the prior, SC'd V models) really hit that mark, with BMW and Audi coming somewhat close with the M4/RS4.
      dude, you're being picky af tho lol
      400hp in a daily for any car enthusiast is MORE than enough, but yes, we could debate endlessly. For those who want even more, that's where the aftermarket shines brightly. I hope Nissan doesn't make a GTR out of this car, and let people turn it into a GTR if that's what they want.
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      03-22-2020 12:43 PM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by Sold Over Sticker View Post
      I have a 485hp 4,000lb sedan, and a 400 hp 3,000lb sports car. Both are completely usable on the street. What do you think you can't do with them?

      I have never understood TCL's "anything faster than X or more horsepower than Y isn't good for the street" logic. I'm happy to hear your side though!
      i think he means (and I would agree with) more than xxx power doesn't really make much of a difference to the experience on the street. Power:weight is where it's at, and I'd rather they strip weight than add power. So many more noticeable gains towards a pleasant driving experience.

      I mean lets be honest here, no one is going to exceed 90 mph on a day-today basis here (if you don't take it to the track, which most won't) so how much power can you put down to the ground, and how many times are you really going to hit 90 mph from a standstill? Compared to the times you'll take aggressive highway entrances and exits, swooping backroad corners, etc. where lightness will be the noticeable characteristic and power will just be a nice-to-have.
      Last edited by worth_fixing; 03-22-2020 at 12:47 PM.
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      03-22-2020 12:45 PM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by Sold Over Sticker View Post
      I have never understood TCL's "anything faster than X or more horsepower than Y isn't good for the street" logic.
      The police boogie man is always one I hear. In 10 years of living in the Bay Area, I've been pulled over a total of 3 times, all going 100MPH+; I've had to do online defensive driving 2x and once he just let me go when I handed him my investigator license. For perspective, in that same time my wife in her soccer mom SUVs has been pulled over / red light cam'd 3x for failing to come to complete stops, 2x costly fines and one time let go when she called me and I talked to the cop. Having a bunch of HP doesn't increase your chances of being pulled over, not educating yourself where the common police hideouts are (I always slow down prior to 280/92 where I exit off) is what will do you in 9x out of 10.
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      03-22-2020 12:49 PM #50
      Quote Originally Posted by worth_fixing View Post
      dude, you're being picky af tho lol
      400hp in a daily for any car enthusiast is MORE than enough, but yes, we could debate endlessly. For those who want even more, that's where the aftermarket shines brightly. I hope Nissan doesn't make a GTR out of this car, and let people turn it into a GTR if that's what they want.
      I don't think so, it's all about relative power. Plenty very conventional FWD Camry/Accord V6 types of cars have 250-300HP. Every lease special 3 series with a turbo-6 is well above 300HP. All the Teslas are rockets when they lean into the throttle even marginally. If you want to be able to decisively get separation from the masses on your highway commute, 450+HP in a realistically light (4000AWD/3800RWD) sedan chassis is kind of the bare minimum. Even then you can't keep pace with a Tesla.
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