If you come out of a corner and get up to 90-120mph you ease off if itís a long straight. Next corner gets close, you get some proper speed built up so you can brake and rotate and have some fun, rinse and repeat.
The roads around here are all 55MPH roads, with lots of 25mph (suggested) corners. So if you hit one of those at 55-70mph youíre just barely speeding if speeding at all.
Thatís the beauty of the mountains, do high speed runs happen? Absolutely, but when things get really twisty these guys are not running double the speed limit.
That said I don't think public roads are the place to explore a car's dynamics at 90-120 MPH, regardless of police absence
I totally get it, because I can't really enjoy a car unless I'm finding its limits. But I don't think public roads are the place to do it
Yeah we don't have "really twisty" in paved 2-lane roads. We have sweepers that are only fun at road course type speeds, 50+ mph at the apex in a 35-55 mph zone. Probably 80+ to be any fun in a new Evora. You come out of one of those at 115 and you're going straight to jail.
Closest AutoX is at least 2.5-3 hours away (100-150 miles).
If you own a fun car here and you want to drive it, the track isnít really an option. I donít cross yellow and while I may move rapidly I donít see the danger if you keep your wits about you.
Gotta remember, these roads are quite literally in the middle of nowhere in rural Arkansas. Entire counties with populations of less than 3,000 people. You have to quite literally look for traffic once you leave town.
Last edited by Sold Over Sticker; 03-23-2020 at 11:04 PM.
I keep asking because you never actually answer. Post a video or at least a map of these mythical roads with no enforced speed limits that you can safely drive flat out on in an extremely capable Lotus.
We don't have that anywhere East of the Mississippi. Roads with super tight corners, if they're paved at all, are 1.2 lanes wide with no center line and trees blocking the view through nearly every corner so it is 110% reckless to drive hard on them even if there were no cops... but there will be cops. If you don't kill yourself, you will go to jail.
I can't believe that you have personal racetracks available all over. You have to be exaggerating. CA is awesome enough already without it being Adult Disneyland 24/7 for free with no risk. That's just rubbing salt in the rest of the world's wounds.
This is NOT me. Just a video I found of one road I enjoy, with some total tool bags driving, and doing it very, very wrong (crossing double yellows, going slow mid corner, then gunning it on straights). People like these idiots are the ones that draw attention from the cops.
Yeah we don't have that here. Any road remotely like that is narrow with no centerline and it's full of potholes (or unpaved). And there are cops. Cops everywhere.
Depending on the answer, it's either those guys in that video violated right place right time, and if it's the other, it's because I'll never convince you otherwise. Lemme know.
The USA also has cheap petrol, relatively good roads and wide open spaces to enjoy heavy, powerful V8s. Horses for courses and all.
What's interesting is how some American enthusiasts lament the lack of such lightweight, low-powered cars in their market but when they become available, the criticisms are usually: "not enough power, too slow"
Back to the new Z, the current formula is a good one and they should stick to it: manual, simple, NA engine, affordable (in some markets) and relatively light (just under 1500kg?), giving it a power to weight ratio of around 226hp/ton. Perhaps shaving a bit of weight and updating the engine offerings (low and high power options) might be the way forward?
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I get the love of 450hp. Iíd take it if I could get it. But it isnít a requirement for most people that arenít using a stopwatch and just looking to have a little fun. Itís important that itís a reasonable car the other 99% of the time when weíre never leaving second gear during our commute to work.
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But even in my backyard here in northern MD there are a lot of fun, twisty technically challenging roads with little to no traffic that are very similar to the mountain roads Sold over Sticker is talking about. I have 3 of them within 5 miles of where I live that I drive on regularly. Look just like the picture above.
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Maybe I just have a different idea of "spirited" driving. If you're spending most of your time coasting instead of being hard on one of the pedals, that isn't spirited to me.
If you say a tight corner is fun at 30, you WILL NOT need to go twice that speed if you have 400 hp. Cornering speed and horsepower have zero correlation. Why would you even make that statement, as its 100% false.
I might just be slow on the uptake but it slowly sounds to me like you have zero idea of what youíre doing and how to safely have fun, so Iím over discussing this topic with you. If you ever make it to NorCal PM me and weíll go for a run; itís slowly becoming a TCL tradition to go on a fun run with me so you can see that you can have fun linking 2nd and 3rd gear corners, not bomb straights (plus there arenít many to bomb on the right roads), and be safe.