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    1. Member TangoRed's Avatar
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      03-26-2020 01:17 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by GLI Dan View Post
      Until a year in when 90% of the N54 cars had HPFP, water pump and wastegate issues galore.
      Lol that was my first thought. I would've been quite pleased with myself actually.
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      03-26-2020 01:20 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by GLI Dan View Post
      Until a year in when 90% of the N54 cars had HPFP, water pump and wastegate issues galore.
      N54 was far from the first or last Bavarian Motor Works engine with problems. Small price to pay to not have to endure the indignity and shame of not driving a BMW

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      03-26-2020 01:30 PM #28
      The 2017 Sienna looked exactly like the 2011-2016 model from the front but had an updated engine and 8 speed transmission. It got a new nose for the 2018 model year.

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      03-26-2020 01:45 PM #29
      I've tried posting this twice, but stopped out of confusion. I think I may have a handle on it now after more research... Maybe.

      The Infiniti G35/G37 sedan:

      2002-2004 G35: early 3rd Gen chassis, old 3.5L engine
      2005-2006 G35: facelifted 3rd Gen chassis, same 3.5L engine
      2007-2008 G35: new 4th Gen chassis, updated 3.5L engine (I think?)
      2009+ G37: same 4th Gen chassis, "new" 3.7L engine that is supposedly the same as the updated 3.5L, stroked to 3.7L, plus a new type of variable valve timing.

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      03-26-2020 01:48 PM #30
      Somewhat along these lines, would be the 4th generation Toyota 4Runner. The 2005 MY saw the V6 go from a 4-speed to a 5-speed auto, and the V8 gain VVT-i. The mid-cycle refresh didn't happen until the 2006 MY.

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      03-26-2020 01:50 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by Stevo12 View Post
      There was also the one-hit wonder '06 330i which has the 255-hp N52B30 that got axed when the 335i came around.
      My best friend got a brand new, 2006 325i in July of 2005. I remember a lot of conversations about this. He thankfully found out the only difference between his car and a 330i was the multi stage intake manifold, so be bought one, put it in his car, and had Active Autowerkes code it to work. All was right in his world after that, but had he gone for a 330i to start, well...yeah there's no fixing that.
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      03-26-2020 01:54 PM #32
      2006 Lexus GS300 as an all new model and 3GR motor; one year later it became the GS350 with the 2GR motor

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      03-26-2020 02:09 PM #33
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      03-26-2020 02:15 PM #34
      The 2nd gen Ford Escape, Mercury Mariner, and Mazda Tribute came out in model year 2008 with carried over 2.3 I4 and 3.0 V6 with 4 speed auto.

      In 2009, Ford replaced them with new 2.5 I4 and 3.0 V6 with VVT and paired them with new 6 speed auto.


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      03-26-2020 02:33 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by squelchy451 View Post
      2006-early 2008 mk5 GTI had FSI engine (timing belt, flat tappet cam follower for HPFP)
      later 2008 - 2009 mk5 GTI had the TSI engine. (timing chain, roller cam follower for HPFP). You wouldn't know from the outside besides a 0.5" drop in ride height. I don't think you can even call it a refresh.

      2010 is when they rolled out the mk6 GTI. Same TSI engine, same PQ35 platform, but definitely a redesign.
      Came for this.

      After owning a B7 A4 with the FSI engine and becoming awfully good at cam follower swaps, I was frustrated that VWAG would ever do something like this.
      Then, I owned a B8 A4 with the TSI engine and a timing chain tensioner failure.
      Now, I'm on the 3rd generation EA888 in my mk7.5, and am praying to all the automotive gods out there that the 3rd time is the charm...

      On topic, I always thought it was odd that VW did this for the mk5.
      I specifically looked for the "2008.5" versions of the GTI before settling on my B7.
      Kinda glad that I didn't find a GTI.
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      03-26-2020 02:37 PM #36
      The Toyota FJ80/FZJ80 Land Cruiser.

      When they first switched to the 80-Series body in 1990, the trucks still had the older axles/diffs and hopelessly dated 4.2L 3F(E) straight six.

      In 1991 they introduced the new diesel 1HDT for the rest of the world and the glorious 1FZ-FE 4.5L straight six gasser. These trucks also got newer diffs and axles and become the true 80 Series that we all know and love. Those 1990/early 1991 trucks with the old engines are really weird.

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      03-26-2020 02:45 PM #37
      Jeep did a couple of wacky things for the JK Wrangler. It started out in 2007 with the terrible 3.8L motor, ancient 4 speed auto, and awful Pow Pow Power Wheels quality interior.
      In 2011 they put a totally redesigned Little Tykes quality interior, in 2012 the took the 3.6L Pentastar and Benz based 5speed auto and put it in the JK and finally had a drivetrain to be competitive with other vehicles from the early 2000s.

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      03-26-2020 02:45 PM #38
      MkII GTI, didn't get the 16V motor until a year (or two) after introduction.
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      03-26-2020 02:47 PM #39
      When the Ford Aerostar launched, your engines choices were the Lima 2.3-liter inline 4 and the Cologne 2.8-liter V6. Just a few months into production, the 2.8 was replaced with the Vulcan 3.0-liter V6. Making a change like that in the middle of a model year is a total Ford move.

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      03-26-2020 03:41 PM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by Pnuu View Post
      I've tried posting this twice, but stopped out of confusion. I think I may have a handle on it now after more research... Maybe.

      The Infiniti G35/G37 sedan:

      2002-2004 G35: early 3rd Gen chassis, old 3.5L engine
      2005-2006 G35: facelifted 3rd Gen chassis, same 3.5L engine
      2007-2008 G35: new 4th Gen chassis, updated 3.5L engine (I think?)
      2009+ G37: same 4th Gen chassis, "new" 3.7L engine that is supposedly the same as the updated 3.5L, stroked to 3.7L, plus a new type of variable valve timing.
      Yes, you got it (though I don't know what the 1st and 2nd gens were). Easier way to track it is to look at the Z.

      2002-2004= Z33 chassis + 287HP VQ35DE
      2005-2006= Z33 chassis + 287-300HP VQ35DE
      2007-2008= Z33 chassis + 306HP VQ35HR
      2009+= Z34 chassis + VQ37VHR

      It's not that whackadoodle though. '02-03 Maxima kept the same body and got the 3.5 and a 6 speed manual. I think the F10 was new for 2011, at which time the 528i had the N52, which got swapped for the N20 just 1 year later.

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      03-26-2020 04:34 PM #41
      2000 Passat switched to (still 058 block) ATW 1.8T with DBW. 2001 B5 Passat, still on the 98-00 body style, new 1.8T engine (06A block AUG with VVT). Only lasted 6 months before the B5.5 refresh and the AWM arrived.
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      03-26-2020 05:14 PM #42
      2016 4-cyl F30s still had the N20 motor, despite being the first year of the facelift:

      Although 335i models step up to the 340i designation for 2016 and gain a new, 320-hp turbocharged inline-six, 328i models like our test car soldier on with the current N20 2.0-liter turbo four.
      And, honestly, it's fine. The N20 is a perfectly good motor:

      Aided by the autobox’s launch control, our rear-wheel-drive test car was one of the quickest 328i sedans we’ve tested, needing just 5.2 seconds to hit 60 mph and 13.9 seconds to cover the quarter-mile with a trap speed of 99 mph. Little has changed with the N20 mill, save for some acoustic tuning that lends it a throatier, albeit synthetic, growl.

    19. 03-26-2020 05:35 PM #43
      Quote Originally Posted by Yo Teach View Post
      When the Ford Aerostar launched, your engines choices were the Lima 2.3-liter inline 4 and the Cologne 2.8-liter V6. Just a few months into production, the 2.8 was replaced with the Vulcan 3.0-liter V6. Making a change like that in the middle of a model year is a total Ford move.

      Never seen one with those chromed steel wheels , only in natural finish

    20. 03-26-2020 05:39 PM #44
      1999.5 Pathfinder had VGseries v6 with the somewhat extensive refresh


      2000 got the new VQ35, only differntiation was the rear badge that in bold letterS said "3.5V6"

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      03-26-2020 05:55 PM #45
      Quote Originally Posted by Charlie84 View Post
      2016 4-cyl F30s still had the N20 motor, despite being the first year of the facelift:



      And, honestly, it's fine. The N20 is a perfectly good motor:
      A 13 second quarter mile with a 99MPH trap speed.... that 5-60 time tells the real story

      But once the N20 is rolling it's perfectly adequate.

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      03-26-2020 06:10 PM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      A 13.9 second quarter mile with a 99MPH trap speed.... that 5-60 time tells the real story
      FTFW

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      03-26-2020 06:42 PM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by TangoRed View Post
      Lol that was my first thought. I would've been quite pleased with myself actually.
      I had an 07 E92 335 from 07 to 09 and the only common issue was the HPFP. Other than that, they were fairly solid when new. Made it to 49k miles on mine before the motor crapped the HPFP twice and then had some sort of VANOS issue they couldn’t sort before I traded it on a C6 Z06 on their used lot (traded with 49,850 miles or so, haha!)
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      03-26-2020 08:02 PM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by ImpeccableNEW View Post

      2000 got the new VQ35, only differntiation was the rear badge that in bold letterS said "3.5V6"
      It was actually given the VQ35 for MY2001, not 2000.

    25. 03-26-2020 08:11 PM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by Stevo12 View Post
      Other thoughts/musings:

      C5 Corvette Z06 got the 405 hp LS6 a year after it was introduced. Pontiac GTO got the LS2 the year after it came to the US.

      The E36 M3 got the S52 a year after it was intro'd in the US

      The '09 WRX got the higher output 265-hp EJ255 a year after it was redesigned.

      The new-for-'02 Ram 1500 did NOT have a Hemi in it. That didn't arrive until '03. The top dawg engine in '02 was the old 360 V8. Conversely, the 360 was only put into the ZJ Grand Cherokee in the year before it was redesigned, and the WJ never offered that engine.
      True, but the C5 Z06 had a 385hp LS6 engine in it for '01. '02 to '04 were the 405hp version.

      The GTO really was unusual in that it got the LS1 for '04 and then the LS2 for '05-06.

      Same with the Cadillac CTS-V (1st gen.)- got the LS1, then the LS2 late in the run.

      The Euro M3 was a much bigger difference- the US M3 was 3.0L S50 240hp for '95, then went to 3.2L S52 still with 240hp. The Euro S50 was 3.0L 286hp (also in Canada), then 3.2L S50B32 321hp.

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      03-26-2020 08:32 PM #50
      Quote Originally Posted by TangoRed View Post
      But that's just a 1 year model, it didn't precede a redesign or refresh.
      Thread title says before or after a redesign/refresh.

      Another one: Manual 1996 Corvettes got a new LT4 engine; 1996 was the last year for the C4 before it was replaced with the 1997 C5 with the LS1.


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