It feels like it hasn't been out that long, where has the time gone?
You can’t take advantage of “record low” gas prices when you have nowhere to drive. And it’s not really more affordable if you don’t have a paycheck to buy it with.
This doesn't look a lot different from the current model.
Saw a line green civic coupe this evening. Bold choice, but not a looker.
I have a '17 boring ass grey sedan in the driveway, it's a lease for the kids to learn on. Never liked the looks, never liked the drive (it is an LX). I plan to turn it in. So FWIW, Honda style cues need to get back towards that e Honda thing.
Those are well aging lines.
I'd buy either an EV or ICE in that any day.
If you are going at a speed that causes you to run off the road before ESC can provide any assistance, you may not experience the benefits of ESC
If they clean up the looks, it will be best in class. If they put the 2.0T in the Si and make the CTR AWD.......... man. It would be the perfect compact. A Jetta/Golf without VW problems.
Current gen Civic still looks new, IMO. Very attractive product line, I'd gladly take a Si/CTR over those spending similar amounts on compact SUVs.
Has Honda corrected the 1.5T oil dilution issue?
Also, will next gen Accord (or Civic) offer AWD since now Altima, Camry, and next gen Optima (& likely Sonata) do/will?
Oh, and a bunch of whiny old ladies in this thread!
Current: '17 Tundra, '16 3 GT
Past/Sold: '13 Evo, '08 Si, '12 Mustang GT, '03 Evo VIII, '01 Golf 1.8T
Accord can't offer AWD, that would absolutely kill the TLX
Finally got off my ass to check out quarterly US sales. It's as I expected:
Civic: 63K (plus 4K from Insight)
Accord: 47K (behind the Altima!)
Ultimately most mainstream shoppers are driven by practicality so the little compact crossovers rule the roost
But I really think Honda going all out with the Civic (and to a degree CR-V) have really hurt the Accord. I am pretty sure it was their top selling sedan. The Civic is really nice! The Corolla is kind of a penalty box by comparison and I'd wager a lot of its volume comes from fleet sales.
Thus far, the Civic floor pan and rear suspension have never been designed to accommodate all-wheel-drive. (And yes, a CR-V started out as a Civic, but it's not the same underneath.) The current Accord is the same situation. There's nowhere for a drive shaft to be routed through, and there's nowhere allocated for half-shafts or final drive in the rear suspension module. They've opted for having more passenger and cargo space instead - by not having to protect space for the all-wheel-drive components.
I don't think this is a full platform re-work; it sure looks like the same basic design, and it certainly won't be much different in size. I suspect that in Honda's view, if you want all-wheel-drive, you're supposed to buy a CR-V (or HR-V). Could be wrong ...
Certainly it can be done (by changing a bunch of stuff - and a model-change is an opportunity to do that). It remains to be seen if they actually will do that.
If you make the design changes necessary to accommodate all-wheel-drive, there's compromises to packaging and weight that affect the versions without all-wheel-drive, and Honda has been reluctant to do that thus far.
And in no way am I saying it wouldn't be awesome if they did. A Civic Type-R hatch with SH-AWD would be pretty darn awesome.
Would it be worth the tradeoff of a little more weight and a little less fuel tank capacity and a little less rear seat headroom and a little less foot-well space for the center passenger in the back seat of every Civic including the run-of-the-mill models in order to be able to do that? Answering that is above my pay grade.
Any car which holds together for a whole race is too heavy.
Also, Honda has done many 4WD or AWD cars over the years. Accord was available with AWD as recently as 5 years ago (how did TCL forget the Crossturd already?)
Not to mention, Integra itself was sold with optional AWD: https://imgur.com/a/MwLJenO#RRKynWX
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The current Civic's rear subframe, links, and spindles make no allowance for routing half-shafts to the rear wheels. I may find out in a couple of weeks whether they're redesigning stuff underneath in a way that would allow space for a rear diff and halfshafts. Unfortunately, that will also come part-and-parcel with a NDA, so after I find out, you'll just have to wait