Crazy is the BMW M340i that apparently only makes 380hp and goes 0-60 in 4.2 seconds. In reality, it produces ~430-440hp (which is how it is so quick).
And as I have said, the Type-S could end up being a sleeper. If so, I will eat my words and gladly line up to buy one. But if Acura really had a monster on its hands, it would push it harder. If Acura really wanted to make an entrance and re-birth to an iconic brand, they would have pushed the envelope. This feels like a safe move. A tarted up TLX with a few more horsepower, a bit tighter suspension, and few extra badges. This is Acura being Acura -- instead of finally saying "**** it" and turning the dial up to "11," they've turned it up to 6.5 and are banking on enough people cross-shopping it to drive some sales. That's just my take. We'll see how it plays out.
I'm glad we came full circle finally acknowledging that 5er is a family hauler like it has always been. Fifteen years ago people were going crazy when you told em that, they were trying too hard to convince you 5 is a disguised supercar in a five-door shell.
The reality is that the public got some great cars from the Japanese premium brands when they were still trying to win. That's what I'm saying.
Plus what matters to buyers has changed a bit, and while BMW M is selling the most vehicles ever or w/e I don't think performance is what moves volume. People don't care as much about driving or performance as they used to.
As a former fan of Honda/Acura they just need to give it up. They don't know how to do luxury. Just throw AWD on the Accord and call it a day. The interior on this is just too busy. And the tech can't compete with Genesis let alone the Germans.
FWIW, I say this as someone who has owned 3 Hondas as well as a 2nd generation TL. The competition is just more compelling, especially in 2020. Acura doesn't excel at anything these days. Not value. Definitely not reliability anymore. Not sportiness. Not luxury. Not styling (this doesn't look that much better than the outgoing model in spite of the hype). They keep trying to take on the big boys and just don't seem to know how.
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Not sure why they say by the numbers as they didn't do official testing on it. A couple of things stick out to me:
- 3800lb base curb weight for the 4 banger
- Tight back seat
- Estimated performance is pretty much dead on with my V6
Def curious to see what the 4 popper does with better tires. But man, the Type-S is gonna be well over 4000lb at this rate, which is def gonna put a damper on performance. I can already hear the write off reasons cueing up.
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2021 Acura TLX First Drive Review: Can It Hang With the Big Boys? We Think So.
Slick suspension and killer audio up the TLX’s game.
Sep 24, 2020
The 2021 Acura TLX is begging for the attention of buyers contemplating purchase of an Audi A4, BMW 3 Series, or Mercedes-Benz C-Class. The cries for attention range from the obvious—flashy Type S Concept sheet metal and an actual Type S performance variant coming next year—to the subtle, a return to a proper control-arm front suspension and a new Panasonic/ELS Studio 3D audio system that's a match for any fancy Euro-branded audio setup out there. Is it worthy of the attention it so desperately seeks?
This car is as expensive as VW Arteon in Canada and the Type S will be even more expensive. I really don't see it can compete with the German. It can't even compete with the Korean (the Asian German). Of course as a Honda+ product, it will still sell.
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Maybe it’s because my commute went from 35 miles one way to 6 to .75 to a flight of stairs, but I can’t get excited about anything in this category anymore. $40-60k sporty sedans used to be my favorite category, but now it just seems to be a ton of money to spend on something that really only does like one thing well. Any decent CUV in this category is going to drive more or less as well (does an X3 or RDX drive a lot worse than a 330i or TLX? I say no, on normal streets) and carry more cargo, etc. And nothing in this category seems worth the 50-100% markup versus a top-level CamCord.
Just seems like there’s no need to be excited about this category anymore. Oh well I guess
We really need to wait for the Type-S, but at this rate, it will likely be a 4,000lb 350ish horsepower boat that handles alright, accelerates alright, and has lots of Type-S badging. And even that isn't the end of the world -- it's still cooler than the current (exiting) TLX.
I am just re-iterating my initial impression, though, of why the hell can't Acura make something actually exciting? It's like it is institutionally mandated over at Acura that exciting cars might make the brand edgy or appealing, and they'd rather be the Japanese Buick.
Anyway, we'll wait and see. The Type-S might still be a pleasant surprise.
The 10-speed serves admirably across the Honda and Acura lineups, but the programming and responses aren't much different here than they are in, say, an Odyssey minivan. And its lazy reaction to paddle inputs and refusal to hold gears stand out as detriments.its responses are too slow in manual mode and a clear step behind several rivals, including the BMW 3 Series, Audi A4 and Alfa Romeo Giulia.
Yeah, wow at that curb weight. And a lot of it is in the nose apparently so you don't even benefit from in that cabin besides the width. Literally no reason to buy this over 2.0T Accord unless you absolutely had to have AWD. I had high hopes but these initial reviews are not promising at all. If the Type S is going to be 4K+ LBS there isn't a strong case not to just buy a Scat Pack Charger (again unless you NEED AWD). They've clearly negated any benefit of the double wishbone suspension by adding 400 unnecessary Lbs to it.
Edit: It looks like ~3800lbs is par for the course in this class. May wait for to see what the full performance specs say.
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C/D stated the transmission (programming) is basically what one will find in the Odyssey.
Adequate power, but handicapped by a laggy transmission.
A big reason why the Germans (the ones that have it) are as good as they are is because of the ZF8.
The front and dash aren't exactly what would consider striking/appealing (the front lost the sharpness of the concept) and the rear air vents look cheap and not something befitting a model that is trying to straddle the compact and midsize lux segment.
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Why you wouldn’t (buy an Optima SX):
Because you have your eyes on the Frigidaire Limited Edition Camry that you saw last weekend at the neighborhood Autoplex.