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      06-28-2020 02:08 PM #51
      Quote Originally Posted by Hostile View Post
      Wrong.

      Every MK7 R came with summer tires from the factory, from 2015 on.

      EDIT: Added "from the factory" before some pedant comes in and says they had the dealer swap all seasons on theirs as proof they didn't "come that way"...
      TireRack lists 3 all seasons as OE: Ventus S1 Noble2, Procontact TX, and Cinturato P7.

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      06-28-2020 02:53 PM #52
      To me, they are sort of aimed at different buyers and needs. If you're looking for the ultimate 'hot-hatch', the formula for these cars has always been front-wheel drive with a 'sporting' vs. 'luxury' focus. Yes the Golf R is both hot and a hatch, but doesn't fit the true original mould of the hot-hatch (mk1 GTI, 205 GTI, Xr3 etc)

      The GTI is the back-road burner of the Golf range, (with the front diff) and I'd only take a Golf R over a GTI if I lived somewhere, where I needed AWD and used the car as a commuting appliance too (spec'd with DSG).

      For any and every other circumstances, I'd take a GTI stick over the Golf R. I once heard someone describe the Golf R as a 'mini GT-R', and I think that's a more fitting description for the car. First time I drove my mk7 GTI with the performance pack on a twisty back road, I was literally speechless at the levels of grip and it's ability to slice through the curves without any fuss, and pull out of tight apexes.

      I was leading a convoy of very capable cars (E92 M3, S2000, RX7) and I put a substantial gap on the following cars when the road got really tight. Once you've demolished a back-road, you have a comfortable and nice place to sit for your drive back home.

      People love to bash the GTI, but if you get the opportunity to drive one for what they're intended for, it's hard to come away unimpressed by its overall talents.

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      06-28-2020 03:10 PM #53
      Quote Originally Posted by Ronan1 View Post
      To me, they are sort of aimed at different buyers and needs. If you're looking for the ultimate 'hot-hatch', the formula for these cars has always been front-wheel drive with a 'sporting' vs. 'luxury' focus. Yes the Golf R is both hot and a hatch, but doesn't fit the true original mould of the hot-hatch (mk1 GTI, 205 GTI, Xr3 etc)

      The GTI is the back-road burner of the Golf range, (with the front diff) and I'd only take a Golf R over a GTI if I lived somewhere, where I needed AWD and used the car as a commuting appliance too (spec'd with DSG).

      For any and every other circumstances, I'd take a GTI stick over the Golf R. I once heard someone describe the Golf R as a 'mini GT-R', and I think that's a more fitting description for the car. First time I drove my mk7 GTI with the performance pack on a twisty back road, I was literally speechless at the levels of grip and it's ability to slice through the curves without any fuss, and pull out of tight apexes.

      I was leading a convoy of very capable cars (E92 M3, S2000, RX7) and I put a substantial gap on the following cars when the road got really tight. Once you've demolished a back-road, you have a comfortable and nice place to sit for your drive back home.

      People love to bash the GTI, but if you get the opportunity to drive one for what they're intended for, it's hard to come away unimpressed by its overall talents.
      the LSD was the biggest upgrade for the GTI imo after the huge upgrade that was the mkv. Main thing is if you're gonna up the boost you want the R to put the power down, otherwise stock power most average buyers will be fine with the GTi hence the bang for the buck argument (i don't think acura or audi products have the same price differential when adding awd, granted the R is indeed a different turbo
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    5. 06-28-2020 03:53 PM #54
      Quote Originally Posted by ghost03 View Post
      TireRack lists 3 all seasons as OE: Ventus S1 Noble2, Procontact TX, and Cinturato P7.
      I looked into it. Based on the photos from the article, that R (2015) in question was equipped with the 235/35R19 wheel/tire combo, so even wider rubber than the Jetta. OEM tire for that wheel is a Continetal SportContact 5P, a Max Performance Summer tire. Also, it looks like all US R's came with summer tires, maybe the OE A/S listings you are seeing are for Canadian spec cars .

      This is the wheel:

      https://www.autorimshop.com/volkswag...wheel-rim.html

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      06-28-2020 04:20 PM #55
      Quote Originally Posted by MonsterM View Post
      I looked into it. Based on the photos from the article, that R (2015) in question was equipped with the 235/35R19 wheel/tire combo, so even wider rubber than the Jetta. OEM tire for that wheel is a Continetal SportContact 5P, a Max Performance Summer tire. Also, it looks like all US R's came with summer tires, maybe the OE A/S listings you are seeing are for Canadian spec cars .

      This is the wheel:

      https://www.autorimshop.com/volkswag...wheel-rim.html
      Cadiz were also available in 18" which came with 225/40-18, but admittedly there was no OE All-Season on tire rack in 19" and I can't say for sure what size the R in the LL article has. If it is indeed 19", yeah, there's no real way that car had all seasons. Still, there's about a dozen other things I'd look at before I'd believe the GLI is faster.

    7. 06-28-2020 04:43 PM #56
      My beef with the R is its actually too refined yet still looks like a semi-econobox with nice wheels, for the money i rather just get a used audi S4 S5

      at GTI price point its great

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      06-28-2020 05:22 PM #57
      Quote Originally Posted by MGQ View Post
      what if it was? The focus RS still exists
      This is relevant to me as I just had a small tour today with a friend of mine.

      Since I met him in 2015, he has owned the following:

      (In order and all were brand new when he purchased them)

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      He said the Focus was the worst car he has ever owned. He would never recommend one to anyone. His perfect daily is a turbo charged, awd, stick, with nice interior and the R fits the bill for him. He has self admitted car ADD and usually buys a new car every year, but he said he’s going to hold onto the R for a few years as it was the best all around daily for him.

      Besides the Golf R he has a ground up restoration ‘74 911 and he is working on restoring another 911 long nose.

      He took his 911 out today and told me to take his R since he knows I am a big VW guy, but I haven’t driven one.

      I liked it a lot. It was very planted and I love the digital cluster. I agree with a lot of posters and will say the GTI feels more ‘fun’ and even feels faster even though it isn’t. I would have a hard time justifying the 5k more for the R than I paid for my GTI. I would have more fun in my R32 than in an R even though the R crushed the R32 in every performance metric.

      That being said, if the mk8 brings the sauce and a sunroof, I will have 2 R’s in my garage.

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      06-28-2020 06:10 PM #58
      Quote Originally Posted by vwlifer27 View Post
      This is relevant to me as I just had a small tour today with a friend of mine.

      He said the Focus was the worst car he has ever owned.
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      06-28-2020 07:03 PM #59
      Quote Originally Posted by MonsterM View Post
      Is the Golf R a bit overpriced and overrated ? It was slower than a Jetta https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...ning-lap-2019/ BTW those tires are a no cost option. You can swap the all seasons for those FREE. The clutch can barely handle stock power levels and cars like the STI with a 20 year old plus EJ engine beats it too, never mind the CTR or N. It can barely shake off a GTI but they charge 40 grand for it.

      EDIT: I am not sure why some of you are saying the R came with all seasons. I don't think that was the case. It had summer rubber but just not as good as the Hankooks.

      Also, obviously a click-bait title but in all seriousness, LL times aside it isn't all that much quicker in the straight line either. Check these out, the 5-60 times are about the same, quarter mile and trap speed difference isn't all that.

      https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...019-vw-golf-r/

      https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/
      Since when is a lap time, especially at a warty nasty track like VIR, the measure of a street focused driver's car?
      Quote Originally Posted by QUIRKiT View Post
      I spent my entire season budget during the off-season on go fast parts, so now I'm wishing I hadn't and had saved a little so I could buy a sim rig.

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      06-28-2020 07:36 PM #60
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      Since when is a lap time, especially at a warty nasty track like VIR, the measure of a street focused driver's car?
      This is TCL, track times are always the deciding factor on which car you prefer to drive every day to work or the grocery store.
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      06-28-2020 07:44 PM #61
      I arrived at the Golf R for my own reasons.

      Overrated? Never got that from all the reviews I read. Sure many reviews said the GTI was the better choice. But I wanted what I wanted.

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      06-28-2020 10:04 PM #62
      Quote Originally Posted by S1ack View Post
      Overrated? Never got that from all the reviews I read.
      Not saying this is the case here, but IME reviewers have definitely been wrong, both on cars being good and bad. There are very few reviewers I trust, and even with them I sometimes don't see eye to eye. I haven't driven an R but I would put the GTI in that category. Good but not amazing.
      Quote Originally Posted by QUIRKiT View Post
      I spent my entire season budget during the off-season on go fast parts, so now I'm wishing I hadn't and had saved a little so I could buy a sim rig.

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      06-28-2020 11:09 PM #63
      Quote Originally Posted by S1ack View Post
      I arrived at the Golf R for my own reasons.

      Overrated? Never got that from all the reviews I read. Sure many reviews said the GTI was the better choice. But I wanted what I wanted.

      Chris Harris loves the R, and Tanner Foust owns one! That says something... IMO, It’s the best sporty daily driver that checks all the boxes. It was not designed for track times sadly. That is why I hope a R+ (a.k.a R400) model comes to life as a track focused R.
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      06-28-2020 11:14 PM #64
      Look, it’s too expensive, not fast enough, and doesn’t have flashy bits. That being said, it’s an exclusive club of idiots. I’m a proud member.

      Hard to beat a Gti for the money.


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      06-28-2020 11:19 PM #65
      Quote Originally Posted by rickandshana View Post
      Look, it’s too expensive, not fast enough, and doesn’t have flashy bits. That being said, it’s an exclusive club of idiots. I’m a proud member.

      Hard to beat a Gti for the money.


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      If you go skiing... and say, you put a UHPAS on both a GTI and R.... when Caltrans calls for a R2 condition, the GTI will have to chain up. The R is fine.

      Even if you put winter tires on the GTI, you still need to put chains up front in a R2 condition.
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      06-28-2020 11:22 PM #66
      Quote Originally Posted by BsickPassat View Post
      If you go skiing... and say, you put a UHPAS on both a GTI and R.... when Caltrans calls for a R2 condition, the GTI will have to chain up. The R is fine.

      Even if you put winter tires on the GTI, you still need to put chains up front in a R2 condition.
      but that has nothing to do with its on track 10/10ths performance that nobody will ever actually have to worry about!
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      06-28-2020 11:33 PM #67
      Quote Originally Posted by MGQ View Post
      but that has nothing to do with its on track 10/10ths performance that nobody will ever actually have to worry about!
      What if the track is frozen?


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      06-28-2020 11:37 PM #68
      chains for the GTI, none for the R?
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      06-29-2020 05:59 AM #69
      Quote Originally Posted by 88c900t View Post
      but it's manifest flaw is the sluggish nature of the engine under 2100rpm, which combined with the ultra tall, widely spaced gearing makes commuting a chore. I expected better from a brand new car.
      the GLI and GTI don`t share the same trans?
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      06-29-2020 07:46 AM #70
      Quote Originally Posted by worth_fixing View Post
      the GLI and GTI don`t share the same trans?
      They do. But the R has much shorter gearing.
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      06-29-2020 08:02 AM #71
      golf r are overrated cars you are better off with the gti much cheaper than the R *hides behind the sofa*

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      06-29-2020 08:16 AM #72
      The Golf R doesn't offer a sunroof, but the GTI does.
      I love having a sunroof, and I was willing to sacrifice the R's performance benefits for it.

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      06-29-2020 08:54 AM #73
      Quote Originally Posted by chris86vw View Post
      None of the transverse AWD cars have it, not even the ttrs.


      The VAQ diff is massive and sits where the output for the center driveshaft is in the AWD cars.


      They all still have EDL (pretty much any VW with abs since the 80s has) , that combined with th fact that the haldex can basically act as a locked center diff makes for a pretty solid setup.
      I see. That’s unfortunate as the golf r has the typical fed based awd issue of lots of grip but ultimately it defaults to understear.

      I understand its role, but other fwd and awd cars have shown it’s possible to have a “fun” handling bias, and the VAG products just aren’t there in my opinion.

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      06-29-2020 09:25 AM #74
      No, its not. The most overrated performance car in this class for the past decade is the WRX STi.
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      06-29-2020 09:48 AM #75
      Quote Originally Posted by whitejeep1989 View Post
      The Golf R doesn't offer a sunroof, but the GTI does.
      I love having a sunroof, and I was willing to sacrifice the R's performance benefits for it.
      I see you love living on the edge here . does the R have the leaky roof just like every other vw's?

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