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      07-28-2020 07:59 PM #1
      Needs:

      1) AWD
      2) Strongly prefer to fit road bike inside it, with or without taking off front wheel but would rather not if I don't have to
      3) SUV/CUV preferred but not required
      4) New (nothing against CPO, just want new for a daily, just personal preference so put the pitchforks away)
      5) Fun to drive at least a little, it can't be like driving a limp dick
      6) $50k or less negotiated

      Features wanted:

      1) Ventilated seats
      2) Memory seats
      3) Upgraded audio
      4) Sunroof
      5) App remote start (not fob)
      6) Minimal/no safety junk

      Honestly I'm pretty easy to please, but I also acknowledge a lot of cars in the poll even at $50k can't meet the first five of these, might not have a choice.

      Already crossed off the list:

      1) MQB Tiguan, see #6 above
      2) Wrangler, too hard to get in and out of
      3) Bronco, sick but timing won't work
      Last edited by puma1552; 07-28-2020 at 08:09 PM.

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      07-28-2020 08:02 PM #2
      I'd say a Toyota 4Runner, I love mine but it may be too much 6. I know it's not AWD.

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      07-28-2020 08:12 PM #3
      CX9 GT or signature?

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      07-28-2020 08:16 PM #4
      Dark horse option - Explorer ST? RWD-based platform, 400 hp...don't know much more about them, but seems like it would check all your boxes. The Edge ST might be too short to fit the road bike requirement.

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      07-28-2020 08:21 PM #5
      Forgot to add, I would like to stay on the smaller side if possible, which I acknowledge the GLC doesn't really fit.

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      07-28-2020 08:54 PM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by puma1552 View Post
      Forgot to add, I would like to stay on the smaller side if possible, which I acknowledge the GLC doesn't really fit.
      GLB?'

      The remote app starter is going to be the tough part.
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      07-28-2020 08:23 PM #7
      I'd say a Blazer RS would be a good choice (as a lease or after intense negotiation anyways, MSRP is ridiculous)

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      07-28-2020 08:32 PM #8
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      07-28-2020 08:48 PM #9
      I don’t see how you’re going to get all that luxury junk without the safety junk, especially new.

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      07-28-2020 09:23 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by Stevo12 View Post
      Dark horse option - Explorer ST? RWD-based platform, 400 hp...don't know much more about them, but seems like it would check all your boxes. The Edge ST might be too short to fit the road bike requirement.
      I saw someone park one in a Little Caesar's parking lot in as I drove by. For that reason, I'm out.

      But for real, I kinda like these, too. I'd be interested in driving one, especially back to back with the updates Durango.
      Last edited by x(why)z; 07-28-2020 at 09:31 PM.

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      07-28-2020 09:16 PM #11
      XC40 would fit the bill for you, but it does come with safety systems. Most of them you can turn off or at least set to low sensitivity, so they shouldn’t bother you too much. The app-based remote start works well and the XC40 is reasonably fun to drive (and, with the T5, even kind of quick—about as quick as a GTI).

      With some negotiating the XC60 R-Design (T5) should be within reach as well. I know from personal experience that it will definitely fit a bike without having to take the front wheel off.

      Volvo’s R-Design trims can’t be had with ventilated seats, however. They have a mix of fabric/leather seats, so in practice you won’t really have a swamp a** problem as quickly.
      Last edited by DubyaV; 07-28-2020 at 09:20 PM.

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      07-29-2020 01:07 AM #12
      Stinger or Stelvio
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      07-29-2020 05:26 AM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by iheartphaetons View Post
      Stinger or Stelvio
      Came to post the above.

      Also, Q50 Red Sport or pre owned CTS V Sport, or might be able to swing a CT6.
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      07-29-2020 07:26 AM #14
      None of the above-Alfa Stelvio.
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      07-29-2020 07:39 AM #15
      I'm a road / CX guy too..and been looking for a new vehicle.

      I've been on the fence about a 4Runner for a while but I keep coming back to this parts bin Honda Passport:



      Positives to me:
      280 hp /262 lb⋅ft - 3.5-liter V-6
      LED headlights
      AWD is pretty close to Acura's SH AWD
      Ventilated Seat option
      Great Storage
      Fold flat seats
      Touring/Elite model get a decent stereo and acoustic glass
      Loaded it stickers at 42ish...but folks are buying well under that.
      Honda is running .9% financing right now until the end of August
      MPG for AWD at least hits in the mid 20's
      2 row, not 3 Row and it's 6 inches shorter than a Pilot

      Downsides to me:
      I'm not crazy about Honda's 9-spd transmission.
      Have read mixed things about honda's safety sense stuff - apparently it is wonky in the passport.
      Push button shifter just annoys me.
      20" wheels. ugh. why, Honda? The 18" from the Ridgeline would have been fine
      Last edited by mouseOfMars; 07-29-2020 at 08:00 AM.

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      07-29-2020 08:59 AM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by mouseOfMars View Post
      I'm a road / CX guy too..and been looking for a new vehicle.

      I've been on the fence about a 4Runner for a while but I keep coming back to this parts bin Honda Passport:



      Positives to me:
      280 hp /262 lb⋅ft - 3.5-liter V-6
      LED headlights
      AWD is pretty close to Acura's SH AWD
      Ventilated Seat option
      Great Storage
      Fold flat seats
      Touring/Elite model get a decent stereo and acoustic glass
      Loaded it stickers at 42ish...but folks are buying well under that.
      Honda is running .9% financing right now until the end of August
      MPG for AWD at least hits in the mid 20's
      2 row, not 3 Row and it's 6 inches shorter than a Pilot

      Downsides to me:
      I'm not crazy about Honda's 9-spd transmission.
      Have read mixed things about honda's safety sense stuff - apparently it is wonky in the passport.
      Push button shifter just annoys me.
      20" wheels. ugh. why, Honda? The 18" from the Ridgeline would have been fine
      Enh, we have an MDX that's basically a Honda Passport. Its fun to drive for a giant people hauler. It handles better than it should, but I would still not say that its an excellent handler. The brakes also suck extremely badly, which limits how much fun you can have with it. When hustling it down a twisty road, you literally get 1 corner's worth of braking before you get massive fade for the next 10-15 minutes.

      The 9-speed transmission is okay with the newer programming. The Honda safety sense stuff is not as good as other manufacturers, the active cruise is a bit jerky and I leave the lane assist off because I don't like the way it makes the steering feel. The push button shifter you get used to though, and the 20" wheels are useful because it allows you to get good tires. With the 18" wheels, there's just not much other than truck tires available and they kinda suck from a sportiness perspective.


      If I was the OP, I'd be in an X3 or an Allroad.

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      07-29-2020 10:28 AM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by mouseOfMars View Post
      I'm a road / CX guy too..and been looking for a new vehicle.

      I've been on the fence about a 4Runner for a while but I keep coming back to this parts bin Honda Passport:

      Positives to me:
      280 hp /262 lb⋅ft - 3.5-liter V-6
      LED headlights
      AWD is pretty close to Acura's SH AWD
      Ventilated Seat option
      Great Storage
      Fold flat seats
      Touring/Elite model get a decent stereo and acoustic glass
      Loaded it stickers at 42ish...but folks are buying well under that.
      Honda is running .9% financing right now until the end of August
      MPG for AWD at least hits in the mid 20's
      2 row, not 3 Row and it's 6 inches shorter than a Pilot

      Downsides to me:
      I'm not crazy about Honda's 9-spd transmission.
      Have read mixed things about honda's safety sense stuff - apparently it is wonky in the passport.
      Push button shifter just annoys me.
      20" wheels. ugh. why, Honda? The 18" from the Ridgeline would have been fine
      I will third the road/CX guy baseline, and on the Honda side, I thought long and hard about a Ridgeline before deciding against it. The utility is there, but the value (IMHO) is not, and I've come to learn that trucks are not the best bike vehicle unless you're schlepping along a couple muddy full sus rigs. I think the Passport is a solid deal but for whatever reason, it is NOT selling.

      I still haven't discovered a compelling reason to move away from my GTI with a roof rack. Judging by the parking lots at my CX races, neither has anyone else, and if they have, it's to an Outback or a full size truck

      Q5 and X3 should be on this list, IMO. I think OP will discover that most of these CUVs are barely hatchback-sized on the inside. I can tell you that my CX bike doesn't come close to comfortably fitting in my CX-5 with the wheel on, even with all the seats down. A wheel-on rack such as a Yakima Highroad is an easy solution.

      This has actually prompted me to go take a look at the Passport. Thanks, TCL
      Last edited by HotCarlWeathers; 07-29-2020 at 10:34 AM.
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      07-29-2020 10:59 AM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by HotCarlWeathers View Post
      I still haven't discovered a compelling reason to move away from my GTI with a roof rack. Judging by the parking lots at my CX races, neither has anyone else, and if they have, it's to an Outback or a full size truck
      You know, I've hauled all kinds of bikes tens of thousands of miles in all kinds of cars (GTI/Jetta/A6/Jeep/Cayenne/Mini-van/Trailer/etc.) and thinking about it, Compact Hatch+Roof Rack is probably my favorite. All the methods have strengths and weaknesses, but if you don't mind your bike outside the car, a car like a GTI is easy to drive and park, dirt from the bike stays out of the car, you don't have to put the seats down and nothing blocks the trunk so you can use both normally. Unlike SUVs the roof isn't high enough to add any awkwardness to loading, but the hatch still lets you stash it in the car if it's pouring or you're staying an overnight or something.

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      07-29-2020 12:17 PM #19
      I'm a cyclist and over the years I've done it all...

      1. Roof mounted bike rack on Passat
      2. A4 Avant w/bike inside
      3. GTI with bike inside
      4. Hitch mounted rack on A6

      While I did the bike-inside-car thing for a long time, having a hitch mounted rack has been a revolution. No worries about getting the interior dirty or banging/scratching it up, no wheel removal, no awkward lifting the bike up hoping your pedal doesn't hit the bumper, much easier to carry multiple bikes.

      To each their own but IMO you'd be better off finding a car you really like and skip the bike-in-car requirement. Of the cars you listed I'd look at the XC40 and Q3. If it was me I'd seriously consider the Stelvio and X3.
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      Quote Originally Posted by puma1552 View Post
      Think I finished test driving now.

      1) Took an Arteon for a second drive, this time with my wife and in the proper top SEL-P-R trim that I would buy (ventilated seats, heated rear seats, three zone climate, massaging driver's seat, etc. - everything. Last one was an SEL-R.). Helped that it was clean black too which is my favorite current color offered. Different dealer, so I had a much better place to drive it - a two lane, twisty, hilly road that I actually drive on my everyday commute (I pass by the dealer on my way to work) so this was a very real world drive, whereas last time it was more or less a straight shot down a busy freeway.

      I decided I really love the car, especially for a 50 mile round trip commute. Again came away feeling that it drives much smaller than it is. It's very buttoned down, composed, and quiet, and I continue to be impressed at how well it soaks up bumps even on 20s. Handling is sprightly for its size, I had no complaints. Sport mode could do a bit more than it does though - would leave it in sport mode full time. Didn't feel this time that it was underpowered but still wouldn't complain with a little more power and sharper transmission tuning, but really, it's fine for toodling to work. Got to try the ventilated seats, I think these ones blow air vs. suck air like the CX-5. In the Mazda I could feel the air on my back through a tee shirt, but nothing on my butt. In the Arteon it was opposite, more useful on the butt which is better for me. As always, the ventilated seats could still be better, but they are also quieter than the Mazda.

      Overall it feels like you get what you pay for and simply put, this car feels like it just has its sh!t together. Very grown up, very, very nice place to spend time in - photos don't do the interior justice. Only gripe is the common gripe of the crappy all black window switches, but I think the facelift will fix this. Even got a honk and thumbs up on the test drive..
      If I were you I'd check out the Stinger GT too




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      07-29-2020 09:45 AM #22
      XC40 T5 AWD, CX5 2.5T, or that Passport posted above.

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      07-29-2020 10:27 AM #23
      I hate to say it but I think a Golf R accomplishes 95% of what you're looking for.
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      07-30-2020 08:58 AM #25
      So my MDX is again at the dealer, chasing a clunk they created when the control arms were replaced.

      They did give me a pretty sweet loaner though and I thought about the OP:



      It’s an RDX A-Spec. Not particularly roomy, but I think my road bike with its approximately one meter wheel wheelbase would fit. It’s also pretty fun to drive. The infotainment is pretty terribly laid out, but this is my second time in an RDX and I’m figuring it out.

      The motor is awesome, the transmission is awesome, and it handles really really nicely for a CUV. The steering is numb, but everything is numb these days. It also has vented seats, which I’ve never had in a car before. I do wish the seats went down a little lower, but that’s a personal preference thing since I’m not really an SUV kinda guy.

      No idea what the price is, but it’s an Acura so it’s probably sub 50k.
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