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    Thread: Move over Tesla? Lucid Air sedan now boasts record-shattering 517-mile range!

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      08-11-2020 02:46 PM #1


      Less than a month from now, Lucid will reveal the production version of its Air luxury electric sedan. Apparently, it could not wait and disclosed what is possibly its most crucial spec: an estimated EPA range of 517 miles. That puts the Tesla Model S and its 402 mile EPA range way behind Lucid's luxury sedan. Ironically, to the point that we can say it will eat dust from the Air.

      That is the impression we get by looking solely at the range numbers, but we will never be sure without knowing the size of the 900V battery pack of the Air. Lucid claims the high voltage and other improvements helped the car be so efficient, but rumor has it its battery pack will be below 130 kWh. If that is the case, it would be about 30 percent larger than the 100 kWh battery pack currently on the Model S.

      Not by chance, the difference between 517 miles and 402 miles is 115 miles – or 28.6 percent more than what the Model S offers. We would not doubt if the Air's battery pack was 128.6 kWh. That would confirm something Bob Lutz once said: having a more significant range is just a matter of putting more cells in the car.

      What Lutz seemingly missed is that it is one way to get there, but it also implies a heavier car. How many more cells do you have to add to make the range longer? That said, the efficiency efforts are more than welcome. And Tesla is obsessed with these efficiency gains.

      If the bigger battery pack for the Air is confirmed, we may praise the fact that Lucid managed to achieve the same energy efficiency Tesla currently offers. If it is equivalent to the one the Model S has, then Lucid will be more efficient. We will have to wait until September to be sure.

      Another issue for the Air is that its production version will be presented in less than 30 days, but manufacturing itself will only start in "early 2021." Could Tesla create a larger battery pack for the Model S before deliveries for the Lucid Air start? We don't doubt it.

      Regardless of anything, a 517-mi is (still) the longest one for an electric car. The number was certified by FEV North America, a renowned and independent engineering company that certifies range for most car manufacturers. FEV applied EPA's Multicycle Test Procedure (SAE J1634 Oct 2012 Standard) with the standard adjustment factor to determine the range the Air can achieve.



      While these are still not the official EPA numbers, insiders say it is improbable that they end up being much different than the ones FEV presented. The Air already proved it could go from San Francisco to Los Angeles on a single full charge. What Lucid did not tell us back then was that it could keep going 100 miles more. In other words, it could have gone to San Diego, and there would still be some charge left.
      https://insideevs.com/news/437878/lu...-range-517-mi/
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      08-11-2020 02:51 PM #2
      It does nothing of the sort until I can have one in my driveway. That's no guarantee with a company that has yet to ship a product.

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      08-11-2020 03:13 PM #3
      Quote Originally Posted by Nealric View Post
      It does nothing of the sort until I can have one in my driveway. That's no guarantee with a company that has yet to ship a product.
      Common statement about Tesla back in 2010, too. Lucid has been quietly been ramping up for a while now, without a lot of fanfare. They may have a chance.
      "Like a fine Detroit wine, this vehicle has aged to budgetary perfection"

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      08-11-2020 03:16 PM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by Chris_V View Post
      Common statement about Tesla back in 2010, too. Lucid has been quietly been ramping up for a while now, without a lot of fanfare. They may have a chance.
      Tesla had already delivered a consumer product in 2010 (Tesla roadster). But such statements would have been equally warranted about Tesla back in 2007 when it also had no actual product. It was 5 years between that point and when I could realistically take delivery of of a Tesla without being on some double secret waiting list.
      Last edited by Nealric; 08-11-2020 at 03:18 PM.

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      08-11-2020 03:25 PM #5
      Vaporware.

      Btw guys I am selling an electric car with infiniti range for only $5. Take that, tesla!

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      08-11-2020 03:37 PM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by ADDvanced View Post
      Btw guys I am selling an electric car with infiniti range for only $5. Take that, tesla!
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      08-11-2020 03:54 PM #7
      3 questions:
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      08-11-2020 04:18 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by Nealric View Post
      Tesla had already delivered a consumer product in 2010 (Tesla roadster). But such statements would have been equally warranted about Tesla back in 2007 when it also had no actual product. It was 5 years between that point and when I could realistically take delivery of of a Tesla without being on some double secret waiting list.
      The point is, Tesla had similar detractor complaints and is now producing cars.
      "Like a fine Detroit wine, this vehicle has aged to budgetary perfection"

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      08-11-2020 04:20 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by Chris_V View Post
      The point is, Tesla had similar detractor complaints and is now producing cars.
      There are many more attempted automakers that had similar complaints and folded before shipping a single car.

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      08-11-2020 05:13 PM #10
      The company has serious backing, and they've been involved in the FIA Formula E championship. The manufacturing plant has been under construction through 2020 (obviously with a delay due to the pandemic, that they claim is minimal). https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/14/lu...to-take-shape/

      I have my doubts about the late-2020 start-of-production date ... but I am open to being proven wrong. https://driving.ca/auto-news/news/lu...arizona-desert

      This is going to be an expensive vehicle. Production volume is sure to be low.

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      08-11-2020 06:54 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by Chris_V View Post
      The point is, Tesla had similar detractor complaints and is now producing cars.
      As you know, Tesla is very much the exception to several rules.
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      08-11-2020 07:16 PM #12
      Too bad they're bankrolled by a journalist murdering dictatorship.

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      08-11-2020 08:22 PM #13
      More batteries, more weight. Makes sense.

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      08-12-2020 09:42 AM #14
      It is crazy that people are still printing articles n this vapor ware company.

      Just like every ev company they are only a year away from launching

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      08-12-2020 09:57 AM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by ADDvanced View Post
      Vaporware.

      Btw guys I am selling an electric car with infiniti range for only $5. Take that, tesla!
      Here's what should now be a $5 Infiniti that has a range of about 250 miles.


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      08-12-2020 10:25 AM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by HI SPEED View Post
      It is crazy that people are still printing articles n this vapor ware company.

      Just like every ev company they are only a year away from launching
      Next year
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      08-12-2020 10:28 AM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by whitejeep1989 View Post
      Here's what should now be a $5 Infiniti that has a range of about 250 miles.

      Hey! That was my first car

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      08-12-2020 10:52 AM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by acsean792 View Post
      3 questions:
      Price, Real world mileage and charge time/ quick charge feature?
      Early articles suggest the price may start around $60,000, and easily climb into 6 digit. My concern is how much room is there in the high-end EV market. How saturated is it with Model S and Model X, and could they steal / convert from Tesla?

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      08-12-2020 10:55 AM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by Nealric View Post
      Hey! That was my first car
      I kinda miss "square" coupes.
      That's still a nice looking car, overall.
      Larger wheels/tires and a slightly lower roofline, would make for a pretty handsome modern car.

      It's also amazing that cars from that era could "breathe" just fine, with only a mail-slot sized grille opening.

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      08-12-2020 11:00 AM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by whitejeep1989 View Post
      I kinda miss "square" coupes.
      That's still a nice looking car, overall.
      Larger wheels/tires and a slightly lower roofline, would make for a pretty handsome modern car.

      It's also amazing that cars from that era could "breathe" just fine, with only a mail-slot sized grille opening.

      I agree a nip and tuck could turn it into a pretty good looking car. But I wasn't a huge fan otherwise. Had nasty snap oversteer in wet/snow and the lazy auto didn't do it any favors.
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      08-12-2020 11:22 AM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by whitejeep1989 View Post
      Here's what should now be a $5 Infiniti that has a range of about 250 miles.

      Where can I find this $5 car? I want one.
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      08-12-2020 12:53 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by Egz View Post
      Early articles suggest the price may start around $60,000, and easily climb into 6 digit. My concern is how much room is there in the high-end EV market. How saturated is it with Model S and Model X, and could they steal / convert from Tesla?
      I completely agree. It’s getting very competitive and Tesla has a cult like following already. I feel this will be another ev company that quietly fizzles out


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      08-12-2020 01:32 PM #23
      correct me if I'm wrong here: the EV market share is only 1.8% US / 2.6% World (google). This "company" occupies the same higher-end space as Tesla, and is trying to steal a sliver of that market share from Tesla, and be profitable. I don't see it happening very quickly, and without a big manufacturer backer.
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      08-12-2020 01:55 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by col.mustard View Post
      correct me if I'm wrong here: the EV market share is only 1.8% US / 2.6% World (google). This "company" occupies the same higher-end space as Tesla, and is trying to steal a sliver of that market share from Tesla, and be profitable. I don't see it happening very quickly, and without a big manufacturer backer.
      You write as though EV market share is fixed. The problem here is not that they are gunning for the same EV niche, it's that they have no track record of producing and selling cars at all.

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      08-12-2020 02:12 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by Nealric View Post
      You write as though EV market share is fixed.
      is the high-end EV market share growing that fast?
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      Originally Posted by George Bluth >>
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