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    • Neither, Tesla will still kill Lucid with Superchargers.

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    Thread: Move over Tesla? Lucid Air sedan now boasts record-shattering 517-mile range!

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      08-12-2020 03:08 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by col.mustard View Post
      is the high-end EV market share growing that fast?
      Based on Tesla delivery increases over the past few years, it appears to be a fairly quickly growing segment:



      Note the huge increase when the Model 3 was released. It shows that a new model that hits the cost/performance sweet spot can cause a huge surge in market share. The high end is where EVs have already hit cost parity with the ICE competition. They aren't there yet for more basic offerings.

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      08-12-2020 03:11 PM #27
      Model 3 outsells a4 and 3 series and whatever the Benz version is combined.


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      09-13-2020 01:30 PM #28
      Right now I don't see Lucid as a real threat to a well established company like Tesla. Lucid's offerings are nice but nothing for Tesla to worry about for the time being. I do like the top of the line Lucid with all that range but I can think of a lot other cars I'd rather blow $169,000 on. I might even be happier blowing $133,000 on the Tesla S P 100 D even if it's got less range. From what I heard though the Lucid has a remarkably quick 20 minutes recharging time.
      You can’t take advantage of “record low” gas prices when you have nowhere to drive. And it’s not really more affordable if you don’t have a paycheck to buy it with.

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      09-13-2020 04:39 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by antilock View Post
      Right now I don't see Lucid as a real threat to a well established company like Tesla. Lucid's offerings are nice but nothing for Tesla to worry about for the time being. I do like the top of the line Lucid with all that range but I can think of a lot other cars I'd rather blow $169,000 on. I might even be happier blowing $133,000 on the Tesla S P 100 D even if it's got less range. From what I heard though the Lucid has a remarkably quick 20 minutes recharging time.
      The big worry is that Lucid is on a “next gen” platform compared to everybody else. They set out with a 900v architecture which allowed significant size reduction in a lot of components. Their motors/drivetrain blows everything else out of the water in terms of size and power that’s currently available today Tesla included.

      One of the reasons that Tesla has a crazy valuation is because they are viewed as the technology leader in the ev space. If they lose that halo, it could literally mean $100B or more in market cap gets wiped out.

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      09-13-2020 04:54 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by Venom21 View Post
      Too bad they're bankrolled by a journalist murdering dictatorship.
      Ghina screw Lucid then, didnt know the CCP had business interests even in Auburn Hills,Michigan

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      09-13-2020 05:12 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by Rob View Post
      The big worry is that Lucid is on a “next gen” platform compared to everybody else. They set out with a 900v architecture which allowed significant size reduction in a lot of components. Their motors/drivetrain blows everything else out of the water in terms of size and power that’s currently available today Tesla included.

      One of the reasons that Tesla has a crazy valuation is because they are viewed as the technology leader in the ev space. If they lose that halo, it could literally mean $100B or more in market cap gets wiped out.
      There's no doubt about it, Lucid did one up Tesla. The problem is that does come at a pretty price too. Perhaps Lucid will have to settle for being a niche vehicle in the EV field for the time being, unless they can come out with something that's a better deal than the Tesla 3.
      You can’t take advantage of “record low” gas prices when you have nowhere to drive. And it’s not really more affordable if you don’t have a paycheck to buy it with.

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      09-13-2020 05:13 PM #32
      I hate to say this becuase my interests are in EVs and not solely Teslas but nothing will come close to Tesla sales and adoption for years to come. I think if anything this is going to hurt the EV revolution. We can go in depth why but my summary is this

      • fear around edge cases that contributes to range axiety
      • poor non-tesla charging network
      • education
      • cost



      The Lucid looks sick but its all vaporware until a youtube actually gets one.
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      09-13-2020 07:34 PM #33
      How many vaporware ponzi scheme EV companies need to come along, and burn a huge pile of money without ever selling a car, before investors back away?

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      09-14-2020 04:31 AM #34
      Sorry if this is not the place for this question, but why does everyone talk as if no other carmaker can build the equivalent of Tesla's supercharging network?
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      09-14-2020 06:39 AM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by kraut_pauer79 View Post
      Sorry if this is not the place for this question, but why does everyone talk as if no other carmaker can build the equivalent of Tesla's supercharging network?
      Another company absolutely could one day equal or surpass Tesla for charging. However it would take a huge pile of money, and also a huge amount of time.

      Getting the permits, and all the logistics done for a charging station isn't something that happens overnight, and the fact that Tesla has been aggressive with rolling out super chargers for years now, is a huge strategic advantage.

      One can hope that there isn't ultimately a war between competing proprietary charging networks. Hopefully a consortium of different companies team up, and make a serious nation wide push.

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      09-14-2020 09:41 AM #36
      Just going to leave this here.


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      09-14-2020 12:29 PM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by col.mustard View Post
      correct me if I'm wrong here: the EV market share is only 1.8% US / 2.6% World (google). This "company" occupies the same higher-end space as Tesla, and is trying to steal a sliver of that market share from Tesla, and be profitable. I don't see it happening very quickly, and without a big manufacturer backer.
      Agreed. If anything all the wealthy pro-EV's are probably sick of all showing up in the same Model S's. The mark of a real BEV company is the ability to mass produce hundreds of thousands of ~35k-50k cars, but at least for now, making premium BEVs is a smart way to maximize profits with small battery supplies, while providing an alternative to wealthy folks. It's a good start. In some ways making an expensive BEV is easy.

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      09-14-2020 01:41 PM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by ImpeccableNEW View Post
      Ghina screw Lucid then, didnt know the CCP had business interests even in Auburn Hills,Michigan
      It's not the CCP per se, but yes there is a Chinese firm that has an investment in Lucid. However, there are a lot of companies that are not Chinese that also have investments in Lucid.

      I believe no Chinese companies have investments in Rivian.

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      09-14-2020 01:42 PM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by Stromaluski View Post
      Just going to leave this here.

      Can't be the world quickest "production" anything until they actually produce it. Right now, it's just a quick prototype.

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      09-14-2020 11:59 PM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by Chris_V View Post
      Common statement about Tesla back in 2010, too. Lucid has been quietly been ramping up for a while now, without a lot of fanfare. They may have a chance.
      This is a company that used to be Atieva, a battery specialist that is scaling up the value chain. I think they have more than a chance. Starting at the upper end of the market is also a great move. When cars were first built in the 1880s only the rich could afford them, but it created the want factor that ultimately created a huge industry. Same with almost any fied of branding - sport/leisure wear, luxury goods, "organic foods", etc.

      Quote Originally Posted by ImpeccableNEW View Post
      Ghina screw Lucid then, didnt know the CCP had business interests even in Auburn Hills,Michigan
      This time it's Saudi oil-money backing, $700mil for a factory to start, but part of a $250billion sovereign wealth fund to dip deep into. No IPO expected.

      Quote Originally Posted by HI SPEED View Post
      How many vaporware ponzi scheme EV companies need to come along, and burn a huge pile of money without ever selling a car, before investors back away?
      A ton to make money off of fools. If you need to be able to tell the difference between vaporware and real-deal, you have to do the research. There's no escaping that. If you think like Wall St then you will miss the engineering value and short a Tesla to your severe and repeated loss. Just like any technology. If you don't 'get' medical technology, then don't invest in a Theranos, bcoz an Elizabeth Holmes will be able to con you. Just like you'd do in cryptocurrency, always, always look for the technical whitepaper or protocol behind the coin.

      Unlike Nikola though, which has no IP, no manufacturing expertise, no autonomous capability - i.e., virtually nothing - and have to therefore pay for the tech by selling stock to GM, there are companies like Lucid that have very, very strong IP. Lucid also has a bunch of ex-Tesla people who've learned lessons and are poised to apply them. Nio is another winner. So pick carefully, grill the snakeoil salesmen and only then put money in what you believe.

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      09-15-2020 12:35 AM #41
      Anyone else think it's weird that any entrant into the EV space has to be a "Tesla killer?" There's dozens of luxury brands and sub-brands in the ICE world, why is there this idea that only one company can sell EVs successfully?

      Also, having seen the car in person, and having experienced a number of Teslas, this isn't competing with Tesla other than it's an EV. The car is a clear cut above in design, materials, and craftsmanship inside compared to the Tesla offerings.

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      09-15-2020 12:54 AM #42
      I would not touch an electric car made in China or an electric car with batteries made in China with a 10 foot pole.

      If you can’t afford Tesla, Volkswagen will be manufacturing electric cars in Tennessee with American made batteries...

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      09-15-2020 01:01 AM #43
      Quote Originally Posted by Corrado-Diesel View Post
      I would not touch an electric car made in China or an electric car with batteries made in China with a 10 foot pole.

      If you can’t afford Tesla, Volkswagen will be manufacturing electric cars in Tennessee with American made batteries...

      Wanna expand on that or is that just a xenophobic/nationalist hot take?


      Cause I KNOW you aren’t defending multinational corporate cost-cutters who spent other people’s dollars (through emissions cheating, unethical resource supply chains, undervaluing labor, and just plain willful negligence of duty to anyone but the shareholder) to save themselves a dime.


      China is ****ed up, yes. Show me an industrialized nation (and all of their multinational corporate benefactors) that hasn’t been... or doesn’t continue to be, in 2020, even after being caught/fined/reprimanded/held ‘accountable’ throughout the bulk of the late 20th and early 21st centuries!
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      09-15-2020 03:36 PM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by DrivinAW8 View Post
      Wanna expand on that or is that just a xenophobic/nationalist hot take?

      China set out a virus to sinish off replacing America economically nothing wrong with not wanting to support Chinese business interests for the time being.
      Screw VW too

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      09-15-2020 03:39 PM #45
      Quote Originally Posted by Corrado-Diesel View Post
      I would not touch an electric car made in China or an electric car with batteries made in China with a 10 foot pole.
      what about that iphone or android ya got in your pocket?
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      09-15-2020 03:42 PM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by s55b30 View Post
      Anyone else think it's weird that any entrant into the EV space has to be a "Tesla killer?" There's dozens of luxury brands and sub-brands in the ICE world, why is there this idea that only one company can sell EVs successfully?

      Also, having seen the car in person, and having experienced a number of Teslas, this isn't competing with Tesla other than it's an EV. The car is a clear cut above in design, materials, and craftsmanship inside compared to the Tesla offerings.
      Tesla is just the measuring stick, that's all. No different than every compact sport/luxury sedan being a "3-series killer" in the past.
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      09-15-2020 03:57 PM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by Activ8 View Post
      Lucid also has a bunch of ex-Tesla people who've learned lessons and are poised to apply them. Nio is another winner. So pick carefully, grill the snakeoil salesmen and only then put money in what you believe.
      Don't see a Faraday Future car around too often.

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      09-15-2020 04:21 PM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by HI SPEED View Post
      Don't see a Faraday Future car around too often.
      You have to do the research. Faraday has been around since what - 6 years? Not sure it's filing for IPO yet that they're going to scam any investors. While Lucid exists for close on 14 years, more like Tesla.

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      09-15-2020 07:20 PM #49


      Looks like there is 350kw CCS here, so it charging quicker than the Tesla I am charging a few stalls over. But I also had three different options for Supercharging in 15 minutes.
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      09-15-2020 09:53 PM #50
      Quote Originally Posted by Bad Rabbit Habit View Post
      Looks like there is 350kw CCS here, so it charging quicker than the Tesla I am charging a few stalls over.
      I want to see the charge curve first.
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