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      09-14-2020 03:50 AM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by 6cylVWguy View Post
      I think it's a relative answer in many cases. For me:

      Grand Cherokee SRT: No
      E92 M3: Kinda
      Corrado SLC with mods: Yes

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      That's an interesting take, I'm car shopping and the E92 M3 is on the list to experience. How long have you owned your Rado? I owned a G60 in high school that I would've described as visceral at the time and a few years ago I picked up a SLC to relive the younger days but was highly disappointed, it was posted for sale within months. Tastes change over time or do they?

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      I think both of mine qualify.


      The F150 with the supercharger it is just way faster than anything that size should be. The feeling as all of that weight pushes you to stupid speeds reminds me quick of why I upgraded the brakes.


      The ZL1... It is just the complete package. The handling and braking to go with the power makes any drive entertaining. Now if all of these storms would leave so I could have a decent dry day to drive it.
      I have rented a Hellcat via Turo a few times, the supercharger whine is addictive and extremely fun but I wouldn't describe a Hellcat as visceral but different strokes and all. There's no right or wrong answer, it's interesting to see the wide range of answers

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      Evora 400 because of feelings and not logic. It's a pile of crap sometimes, but you drive it and you don't care. It's illogical not really smart to pick it over a Cayman GT4, until you drive the Evora. It just burrows into you, and gives you a bigger emotional response, since it's just different and special and delicate.
      I have fallen in love with the Evora, type of driving experience I would make an excuse to go out for a errand using the long way back. I've only experienced the slow version and am seriously thinking about picking up a 400 but hard to finalize when 911/GT4/GTR/AMG GT can be had in the same range

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      09-14-2020 07:01 AM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by crashmtb View Post
      Land Rover is visceral and “analog” - because there are garden sheds with more structure and better handling. Analog for the same reason.
      Ha! Yeah, you reminded me of my FJ55. Basically a metal box with a chevy 350 bolted into the engine bay. Big, long throw shifter, you could hear and feel the gears working in the transmission and transfer case, it had that old car smell, the body was so boomy with zero sound insulation. It was visceral and analog in every way.

      It was a real pile, I don't know I how I managed to get it running right and legally inspected, but I sold it shortly after.

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      09-14-2020 07:09 AM #29
      The rabbit is pure viscera. It is far too stiff, brakes are right now, clutch is heavy and the wheel base is short. It is also full of 10:1 ratios. 200 horsepower, 2000 lbs, 195 width tires.
      The aggressive alignment on it means torque steer is intense. Been driving a mostly stock e30 325i this summer, which is a Rolls Royce comparatively. I fear the next step after the rabbit is going to be a locost, or LS powered miata. Because what else would have as much fizz?

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      09-14-2020 07:37 AM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by Bad Rabbit Habit View Post
      The rabbit is pure viscera.
      The 1983 Scirocco is like a go kart.

      Pretty scarry above 120.



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      09-14-2020 07:53 AM #31
      The GLI obviously doesn't, but a stage one tune, pedal tuner and some hydraulic clutch update i forgot about should make it feel how it should have from the factory.


      The other 3 have fairly high levels of Visceralness-the Skyline GTS-T is probably the tops- ultra loud ISR exhaust that pops and burbles, performance clutch, rock hard GReddy coilovers (it actually handles very well), almost no 1st gear syncromesh and 17" R33 GTR wheels. It's a laugh and an attention getter. Sadly I put <500 miles on it this year, and the HICAS all wheel steer is dead.


      One of my favorite things about the Mazdaspeed is that it's new enough that it doesn't have the fragile delicacy of the 1980s machines that I'm used to. It has the power that was missing from the 96 and vastly improved hydraulic steering. It's pretty unrefined for a 2004 car but feels like a Lexus compared to my 96, and the shifter is excellent (although the 5 speed has better spaced ratios, and is also very good). It's still a Miata-you get exactly what you expect, it's just as happy to hoon as it is to putt around town on a nice day. The only downside is the redline is a disappointing 6500 RPM, a grand less than the MR2 and R32 and my 14" ice tires won't clear the brakes. It also needs some mods to smooth out the powerband (at least a downpipe and intake)-theres nothing below 4 and you only have about 2000 RPM to play with.


      The AW11 was a bucket list car for over 4 years now and when a supercharged version fell into my lap, I just had to jump in. My very first midship engine car and without power steering, it's not in good condition, but it's also rare enough to justify maintaining it. As a former NA Miata owner what I love about it is how it pursues a similar purpose with entirely different methods, there are some areas where the Miata is superior (which is unsuprising as it's 6 years more advanced) but the MR2 is better in completely different ways. Although I'm still a mid-engine novice, the MR2 demands you utilize it's momentum and throttle in cornering, and it'll reward you-if you don't overcook it. It is about as analog as a car that I've owned, though, and not at all refined-although the ride is surprisingly good on it's coilovers.



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      09-14-2020 08:25 AM #32
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      09-14-2020 09:16 AM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by 4th Branch View Post
      That's an interesting take, I'm car shopping and the E92 M3 is on the list to experience. How long have you owned your Rado? I owned a G60 in high school that I would've described as visceral at the time and a few years ago I picked up a SLC to relive the younger days but was highly disappointed, it was posted for sale within months. Tastes change over time or do they?
      The beauty of the e92 in stock form is that it is fairy refined and yet, has good feel as well. It's a really balanced car from that perspective. The stuff that makes it refined is the stuff that fights against being visceral. I've owned the corrado for 20 yrs. And I completely agree with your assessment. I LOVE the styling of the corrado, but in stock form, the SLC version is a disappointment. I didn't like it much when pushed hard when I got it in 2000. In stock form, I prefer how the G60 drives (although, I'm a much bigger fan of the VR6 as an engine than the G60). My dad had a Corrado G60 and I learned to drive stick in it in HS---I had good fun in that car. The current state of my Corrado is quite different than stock---very stiff suspension for the street with a large solid RSB---the car will go sideways very easily. It has a peloquins LSD and a supercharger. I've removed about 100 lbs of weight from it as well. Athough the steering is much slower in the corrado than the m3, the corrado drives best when driven hard and it's not great when just puttering. The M3 drives well in all situations---probably has the best ride out of the cars I own (Hyundai, Jeep, said VW).

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      09-14-2020 09:53 AM #34
      My car is the polar opposite of Visceral.

      Sometimes, when the moon is right, the windows are down, and the air is cool, you can get a whisper of the turbos working, or the distant growl of a V8 winding out, but other than that, it's silent.

      Wouldn't change a thing.

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      09-14-2020 10:08 AM #35
      I think my 280Z is an honorable mention in this thread. Besides the fuel injection and the power brakes its a very analog car. You feel every pebble on the road, kickback in the steering. And that roar of an inline 6 with a intake, 3-2 header, 2.5 inch pipe to an apexi n1 muffler.

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      09-14-2020 12:25 PM #37
      The Bug could be more visceral if it had wider tires and more caster, but I think it qualifies. I'm certainly not 100% sold on it yet, though.

      "Visceral" is definitely not the same thing as analog. My Ranger is analog, but not visceral. To take the example to the extreme, a '74 Buick is analog, but about as far from visceral as it gets!
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      09-14-2020 12:28 PM #38
      I think the Scirocket is the most visceral car I've owned. The BRZ does a nice job, but it is still a street car. The wagon is very visceral for a hulking behemoth of a vehicle, but it is still a giant station wagon and visceral was very much an afterthought.

      The most visceral car I've driven is a Formula Ford/Skip Barber. It was so easy to drive because I could feel everything. It was quite joyful to be that engaged with the road. Well, track actually. I remember being a bit afraid of it at first, and then realizing that it was so much easier than I expected.

      I am comfortable saying that once you have driven something like a Formula car or at least a fully-prepped racecar, it is hard to compare other vehicles. Formula/prepped cars are orders of magnitude more visceral.
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      09-14-2020 02:08 PM #39
      Whoever wrote that Hemmings article shouldn't have gotten that by the editor. That was a real POS. Improper usage of the word visceral.

      It's what stirs your insides, in a primal way, that's visceral. Like if a car scares the cr*p out of you, constantly. The examples of a Lotus 7/Caterham, Formula SAE car, etc. are good examples. Or something like an AC Cobra. Or an _old_ race car, like the GP cars from the thirties to the fifties (fast, loud, could die at any moment).

      I know that's highly subjective.

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      09-14-2020 02:38 PM #41
      I drive a large roller skate that likes to beep at me to find a Starbucks when I’ve been driving too long.

      Short answer, no.

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      09-14-2020 02:39 PM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by atomicalex View Post
      I think the Scirocket is the most visceral car I've owned. The BRZ does a nice job, but it is still a street car. The wagon is very visceral for a hulking behemoth of a vehicle, but it is still a giant station wagon and visceral was very much an afterthought.

      The most visceral car I've driven is a Formula Ford/Skip Barber. It was so easy to drive because I could feel everything. It was quite joyful to be that engaged with the road. Well, track actually. I remember being a bit afraid of it at first, and then realizing that it was so much easier than I expected.

      I am comfortable saying that once you have driven something like a Formula car or at least a fully-prepped racecar, it is hard to compare other vehicles. Formula/prepped cars are orders of magnitude more visceral.
      I think you have to fully separate street cars from race prepped and formula cars. The gap is just too wide. Even an AW11 MR2 tuned for autocrossing, which is a blast of a car, is going to seem soft compared to a true track car.
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      09-14-2020 02:41 PM #43
      Quote Originally Posted by Taco1933 View Post
      I drive a large roller skate that likes to beep at me to find a Starbucks when I’ve been driving too long.
      but its a visceral attention assist beep!

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      09-14-2020 02:52 PM #44
      The most visceral car I've had the pleasure of driving was a ~400whp evo 9
      with coilovers, an external wastegate, some decent tires. It was only a short drive but it felt like it was constantly on the edge of mayhem, and very mechanical feel to it.
      My track prepped e46 has a sense of occasion to it, feels like a racecar, vibrates like one, very mechanical feeling. However at this moment it's heavily biased towards handling ability, whereas the evo had a more potent mix of handling and power to give it that extra sense of exhilaration

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      Yup. I love my Cayman and it's perfectly liveable. But after a full track weekend in it, the big/slow/cushy SUV is a honestly a delight.

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      09-14-2020 06:07 PM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by t44tq View Post
      Whoever wrote that Hemmings article shouldn't have gotten that by the editor. That was a real POS. Improper usage of the word visceral.

      It's what stirs your insides, in a primal way, that's visceral. Like if a car scares the cr*p out of you, constantly. The examples of a Lotus 7/Caterham, Formula SAE car, etc. are good examples. Or something like an AC Cobra. Or an _old_ race car, like the GP cars from the thirties to the fifties (fast, loud, could die at any moment).

      I know that's highly subjective.

      basically this !

      Excluding 2 wheeled death scooters, karts, full on racey race cars

      The closest thing to a real "visceral" street car for me would have to be hopped up nascar engine swapped 1990 bmw 320 - no heater - driven in the dead of winter - downtown at about 2 am - on stock - basically bald tires, stock brakes, stock suspension. basically every stab of the gas is back end slidey out "holy crap i'm going to die - but this is awesome" excess tire smoke awesomeness

      The owner i believe sold it for pristine 76 swallowtail rabbit with a vr6.

      That was and probably always will be my favorite experience in a street car haha.

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      09-14-2020 06:11 PM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      I think you have to fully separate street cars from race prepped and formula cars. The gap is just too wide. Even an AW11 MR2 tuned for autocrossing, which is a blast of a car, is going to seem soft compared to a true track car.
      yup really no comparison between hitting a pothole, crack in the pavement and having a slight jiggle transmit into the chassis vs - fully caged race car where you hit a manhole in the road and you feel like you need to be wearing a hans device to prevent certain death !

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      09-14-2020 06:13 PM #48
      125cc shifter kart makes every street car feel like an aircraft carrier, sadly.

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      09-14-2020 06:15 PM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by troyguitar View Post
      125cc shifter kart makes every street car feel like an aircraft carrier, sadly.
      100% agree. Formula 1 performance at 1/100000th the price

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