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      09-20-2020 11:43 AM #176
      Images of the actual production car have been leaked.

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    3. 09-20-2020 02:51 PM #177
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      It’s much easier to design a car when you don’t have to take regulations from different markets, production and practicality into account.
      So Ferrari must have lobbied/Epstein blackmailed governments to sell their sleek cars?



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      09-21-2020 09:24 AM #178
      ^ you can buy a used mk1 TT quattro for like $6k, it won several design awards because of the Bauhaus styling and is basically at the bottom of the depreciation/interest curve. If you want one now is the time, I'd bet on a $15k mk1 within a decade. I'd also argue Ferrari gave up the styling mantle awhile ago...

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      09-21-2020 09:54 AM #179
      Quote Originally Posted by Mike! View Post
      Actually you can get a ‘20 Mustang GT right now for about $33K CAD. The employee pricing plus the rebate puts it down basically to the price of an EcoBoost. In contrast it’s probably slim pickings for Zs on lots right now.

      https://shop.ford.ca/inventory/musta...intcmp=show-si

      Hrm, that’s too bad, lowest I can find is $36K now. $33K was definitely out there but it looks like they might have goofed on the Employee Pricing discount and now lowered it? Guess last month was the time to buy, more on lots then too.
      As your link demonstrates, it is incredibly hard to find, and the MSRP of Mustang GTs has shot WAY up since the S550 came out. Also smaller dealers with less allocation usually don't deal as hard. Besides, say you take a base 370Z at $30.5k, and you find a bit of wiggle room on that, you're still looking at a few grand cheaper.
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      09-21-2020 09:55 AM #180
      Quote Originally Posted by VigorousZX View Post
      So Ferrari must have lobbied/Epstein blackmailed governments to sell their sleek cars?

      Good design is only made for the rich to afford.
      You're so far off the beaten path I think you're a caricature, but I'll bite.

      Sure, it's only for the rich because it costs a LOT of money to build sleek cars like that, but even Ferrari needs to adhere to the rules and can't do anything they want. Now the problem for Nissan is that they can't even afford to make an all new chassis right now and they need something relatively inexpensive and somewhat limited because of being forced to be built from the old one. They've come up with a car that should turn heads and sell in decent numbers, which is exactly what they need it to do. The car you posted would be expensive and polarizing. It would be expensive to develop, expensive to build and even then it almost certainly wouldn't meet crash standards without a drastic reworking of the basic design.

      It's a show car/flight of fancy and nothing more, just like Ferrari's show cars that aren't intended for production.
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    7. 09-21-2020 05:31 PM #181
      The only problem it has is the abundant glass which would boil the interior when sunny.
      Thats basically a rebodied 300zx. Nissan is a shell of company that purposely puts out inferior cars because of the world wide automobile monopoly ruled by the .1% elites.
      How do these cars pass pedestrian safety? Its practically a brick wall on wheels.


      Quote Originally Posted by l88m22vette View Post
      ^ you can buy a used mk1 TT quattro for like $6k, it won several design awards because of the Bauhaus styling and is basically at the bottom of the depreciation/interest curve. If you want one now is the time, I'd bet on a $15k mk1 within a decade. I'd also argue Ferrari gave up the styling mantle awhile ago...
      The Marcello Gandini has its linage from his first creations, the Countach. That Audi has all the testosterone taken out of it.
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      09-22-2020 07:47 PM #182
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      It’s much easier to design a car when you don’t have to take regulations from different markets, production and practicality into account.
      And cost. And FE requirements. Ingress/egress. etc.

      You know it would be enlightening for most armchair automotive designers to forget all the brand graphic requirements and just sketch over a 2 seater package compete with suspension, bulkhead, and impact zones in mind. Oh and don't forget ramp departure angles for the front and rear bumper.

      It's also amusing to see how many truly great, experienced designers can make something super beautiful and sketchy in 2D-but their models all seem 'meh' when seen in person/digitally. As you noted, it's a lot more difficult when one is off the sidelines.

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      09-22-2020 08:15 PM #183
      Quote Originally Posted by VigorousZX View Post

      Good design is only made for the rich to afford.
      The Honda e is 'good design' vs. perhaps 4 recent Lamborghinis designed in the last 12 years.

    10. 09-22-2020 10:45 PM #184
      That could be a nice design to most, on a puny chassis, which is hard to do... but we are not desperate for space to have compact cars. Although the interior volume may be the same, to me awesome proportions on a bad design triumphs a great looking compact car.


      Quote Originally Posted by Minority5 View Post
      And cost. And FE requirements. Ingress/egress. etc.

      You know it would be enlightening for most armchair automotive designers to forget all the brand graphic requirements and just sketch over a 2 seater package compete with suspension, bulkhead, and impact zones in mind. Oh and don't forget ramp departure angles for the front and rear bumper.

      It's also amusing to see how many truly great, experienced designers can make something super beautiful and sketchy in 2D-but their models all seem 'meh' when seen in person/digitally. As you noted, it's a lot more difficult when one is off the sidelines.
      In multi-billion dollar companies all the technicalities have already been done on previous car models... the only costly part is CNC'ing metal moulds for the panels to get stamped on. This shouldnt cost more then a 100k with todays advances.



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      09-23-2020 11:49 AM #185
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      09-23-2020 12:13 PM #186
      Quote Originally Posted by VigorousZX View Post
      That could be a nice design to most, on a puny chassis, which is hard to do... but we are not desperate for space to have compact cars. Although the interior volume may be the same, to me awesome proportions on a bad design triumphs a great looking compact car.


      In multi-billion dollar companies all the technicalities have already been done on previous car models... the only costly part is CNC'ing metal moulds for the panels to get stamped on. This shouldnt cost more then a 100k with todays advances.
      ROFL.

      The only costly part, eh? I suppose that purposeful "bad design" is to keep the masses in check. Or something.

      You really are a caricature of yourself.

      Quote Originally Posted by VigorousZX View Post
      The only problem it has is the abundant glass which would boil the interior when sunny.
      Thats basically a rebodied 300zx. Nissan is a shell of company that purposely puts out inferior cars because of the world wide automobile monopoly ruled by the .1% elites.
      How do these cars pass pedestrian safety? Its practically a brick wall on wheels.


      The Marcello Gandini has its linage from his first creations, the Countach. That Audi has all the testosterone taken out of it.
      Really? Is that the only problem? I'm glad you have that sorted out.

      Also, pedestrian crash standards are about crush space under the sheet metal, not about a flat front. Also I have no idea if they meet those specs or not, but probably not. Pedestrian safety is a European thing and those trucks aren't designed for their market. Crowded cities laid out in the 1600s do not make good places to drive 3/4 ton American pickups. Open areas with livestock make for great uses, though.

      To be fair, I despise those truck front ends. They're pointlessly large and are there to instill a feeling of power for the buyer. The grilles are ridiculous and cartoonish and the height of modern trucks make them difficult to load. But of course simple loads in the bed isn't what the marketing is about. It's about cranes putting pallets of cinderblock in there and towing 10,000 lb. boats.

      Quote Originally Posted by Minority5 View Post
      And cost. And FE requirements. Ingress/egress. etc.

      You know it would be enlightening for most armchair automotive designers to forget all the brand graphic requirements and just sketch over a 2 seater package compete with suspension, bulkhead, and impact zones in mind. Oh and don't forget ramp departure angles for the front and rear bumper.

      It's also amusing to see how many truly great, experienced designers can make something super beautiful and sketchy in 2D-but their models all seem 'meh' when seen in person/digitally. As you noted, it's a lot more difficult when one is off the sidelines.
      Away! Away with those workaday problems! It's all to keep the little guy down for the .1%. Or something.

      I still don't think that guy is real, but who knows?
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      09-23-2020 12:14 PM #187
      Only way to deal with trolls is to ignore them and let them shrivel up and die. I don't think I've ever read a VigorousZX post with any kind of value.
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    14. 09-23-2020 05:23 PM #188
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      ROFL.

      The only costly part, eh? I suppose that purposeful "bad design" is to keep the masses in check. Or something.

      You really are a caricature of yourself.
      Yes, thats how a monopoly works... explains why Japanese appliance manufacturers never made a car with these proportions.




      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post

      ... Also I have no idea if they meet those specs or not, but probably not....
      So there is a 'tradie' privilege over the safety of everyone else's lives. Who knew, guys that buy sandwiches and lotto tickets at the local 7eleven have a secret exemption from pedestrian safety. Probably a George Soro's figure lobbying the government?
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      09-23-2020 07:23 PM #189
      Well. I think we should all collectively ignore the last page of insanity lest we derail this otherwise Nice Thread about a Nice Car.


      I’m pretty sure of it based on the 350/370z/FM platform/prototype images... but do we think the new 400z will have a full hatch opening down to the bumper? That’d be a major value-add in my eyes vs the small opening of the Mustang, Supra, and upcoming 2nd gen GT86/BRZ.

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      09-23-2020 08:00 PM #190
      Quote Originally Posted by DrivinAW8 View Post
      Well. I think we should all collectively ignore the last page of insanity lest we derail this otherwise Nice Thread about a Nice Car.


      I’m pretty sure of it based on the 350/370z/FM platform/prototype images... but do we think the new 400z will have a full hatch opening down to the bumper? That’d be a major value-add in my eyes vs the small opening of the Mustang, Supra, and upcoming 2nd gen GT86/BRZ.
      Even if it doesn't go down to the bumper, it will automatically be more practical than any of those cars.

      Except those cars all have back seats...
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      09-23-2020 10:23 PM #191
      Quote Originally Posted by DrivinAW8 View Post
      Well. I think we should all collectively ignore the last page of insanity lest we derail this otherwise Nice Thread about a Nice Car.


      I’m pretty sure of it based on the 350/370z/FM platform/prototype images... but do we think the new 400z will have a full hatch opening down to the bumper? That’d be a major value-add in my eyes vs the small opening of the Mustang, Supra, and upcoming 2nd gen GT86/BRZ.
      I think it will go down to the bumper.... problem is if it's like other FM Zs the bumper will sit high like mom jeans.





      I don't remember it being an issue with my 350Z; the damn RSTB was a bigger PITA honestly and either way the trunk is gonna suck.
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      09-24-2020 05:59 PM #193
      Quote Originally Posted by vb22 View Post
      Should they make a drop top?
      No!! I want targa or T-top instead!!!

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      09-25-2020 05:46 AM #195
      No drop top... A panoramic sunroof would be enough. FM convertibles are always hideous

      And that NISMO render looks like a warthog

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      Quote Originally Posted by QUIRKiT View Post
      I spent my entire season budget during the off-season on go fast parts, so now I'm wishing I hadn't and had saved a little so I could buy a sim rig.

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      09-25-2020 09:22 AM #196
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      No drop top... A panoramic sunroof would be enough. FM convertibles are always hideous
      I think the G37C was actually really good looking top up or down.


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      OK, that wasn't hideous but I generally don't like 4 seat convertibles. They all remind me of Chrysler Sebrings
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