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      09-16-2020 02:41 PM #101
      Quote Originally Posted by Chris_V View Post
      According to the marketing folks at Nissan who are trying to put on the best spin possible "Power and torque is quite different, so the platform is modified. It is not carry-over. Many things were changed or modified. Even if it looks the same it was changed."
      Fixed. It's an elaborate refresh, but a refresh nonetheless. This isn't a knock on it, as I think they did a great job.
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      09-16-2020 03:19 PM #102
      I can deal with the front because the rest looks great and it has a real hand brake. I'm hesitating to get a Type R or Challenger because they don't have hand brakes.

      I hope the trunk/hatch opens all the way up with all the glass like the 370. I'm guessing it will but I can't tell from the pics.

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      09-16-2020 03:22 PM #103
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      Fixed.
      Yeah, you're probably right that this guy (who said that) is probably just a marketing guy and doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground... https://motioncars.inquirer.net/4621...hiroshi-tamura

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      09-16-2020 03:29 PM #104
      Quote Originally Posted by Greefus View Post
      I can deal with the front because the rest looks great and it has a real hand brake. I'm hesitating to get a Type R or Challenger because they don't have hand brakes.

      I hope the trunk/hatch opens all the way up with all the glass like the 370. I'm guessing it will but I can't tell from the pics.
      Honest question, why is that so important?

      Edit: Referring to the handbrake, the hatch preference I get
      Last edited by Quinn1.8t; 09-16-2020 at 04:10 PM.

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      09-16-2020 03:38 PM #105
      For the hand brake? 25 years of driving using it at every stop light, and they are hard to find on anything new. Every time I get a rental automatic it just adds to my clumsiness of remembering to put the car in park to take the key out or remembering not to take my foot off the brake in D or the car just moves forward by itself. I know it's like a Steven Wright joke that he doesn't know how to drive an automatic, but it's honestly very hard for me to unlearn.

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      09-16-2020 03:52 PM #106
      Quote Originally Posted by Greefus View Post
      For the hand brake? 25 years of driving using it at every stop light, and they are hard to find on anything new. Every time I get a rental automatic it just adds to my clumsiness of remembering to put the car in park to take the key out or remembering not to take my foot off the brake in D or the car just moves forward by itself. I know it's like a Steven Wright joke that he doesn't know how to drive an automatic, but it's honestly very hard for me to unlearn.
      You use a hand brake at every stoplight


      I only use a handbrake for two scenarios: parking (at all in the S, on a hill in an automatic) and for screeching to a halt in snow/ice when ABS doesn’t want to help.
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      09-16-2020 03:57 PM #107
      Quote Originally Posted by Greefus View Post
      For the hand brake? 25 years of driving using it at every stop light, and they are hard to find on anything new.


      Or just keep your foot on the brake pedal.

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      09-16-2020 04:01 PM #108
      Quote Originally Posted by Chris_V View Post
      Yeah, you're probably right that this guy (who said that) is probably just a marketing guy and doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground... https://motioncars.inquirer.net/4621...hiroshi-tamura

      I was being flip, but the point stands. It's a heavy refresh, but there's nothing wrong with that. I actually prefer that over a clean-sheet for every new car. It gives more time to work on the clean sheet designs and the refresh versions can iron out any bugs of the original.

      My SWAG calculations tell me that the only downfall of this refresh is possible compromise of the design aesthetics and that it might not be as light as it would've been otherwise. Any other changes would likely be minimal. Is it worth a clean-sheet design to get that? Probably not, and certainly not with a company struggling as Nissan is right now.

      Working within their limitations I don't see how this car could've been better, with the possible exception of that maw of a grille, but that's just pointy elbows.
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      09-16-2020 04:06 PM #109
      Quote Originally Posted by Quinn1.8t View Post
      Honest question, why is that so important?
      Hatches make cars soooo much easier to use. I hate that the 86/mustang/camaro all have tiny little trunk mail slots while their ancestors had huge hatches.

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      09-16-2020 04:13 PM #110
      Quote Originally Posted by troyguitar View Post
      Hatches make cars soooo much easier to use. I hate that the 86/mustang/camaro all have tiny little trunk mail slots while their ancestors had huge hatches.
      Agreed. Even with the stupid rear strut tower brace the hatch made my 350Z a lot more usable. I think the opposition to it is chassis rigidity, but I honestly don't care.
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      09-16-2020 04:19 PM #111
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      Agreed. Even with the stupid rear strut tower brace the hatch made my 350Z a lot more usable. I think the opposition to it is chassis rigidity, but I honestly don't care.
      Exactly. It's not a race car. If you can put rubber bushings all over, then you can put a hatch in the back.

      I guess hatches add a little weight and noise too, but the utility is worth it. Cramming my bike into the 86 trunk sucks.

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      09-16-2020 04:35 PM #112
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      Agreed. Even with the stupid rear strut tower brace the hatch made my 350Z a lot more usable. I think the opposition to it is chassis rigidity, but I honestly don't care.
      It is definitely more useful in most cases, but the losses are cabin noise (no biggie to us) and side impact standards. My armchair quarterback guess is that those side impact standards affect design in a real way, including whether to use a hatch or a trunk lid.
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      09-16-2020 05:00 PM #113


      Credit to u/acedelia for the light bar concept that does a good job of breaking up that bigass black recangle grille from the r/cars thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/commen...ive_in_1_hour/

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      09-16-2020 06:01 PM #115
      Quote Originally Posted by oidoglr View Post
      credit to u/acedelia for the light bar concept that does a good job of breaking up that bigass black recangle grille from the r/cars thread:

      Okay, YES. Please, Nissan. But not a light bar... rather, a piece of chromed plastic (or painted depending on trim level) with integrated sidemarkers/fogs/turns/whatever else in there. Heavily harkens back to the S30 bumper:



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      09-16-2020 06:25 PM #116
      In this day and age of wildly over-styled nonsense, the simplicity of this design is outstanding. I think they knocked it out of the park.

      Compare this straight, simple grille with, for example, Lexus's carp-face-predator-grille monstrosity.

      I dig it.

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      09-16-2020 06:40 PM #117
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      Thanks. I could also go for a rectangular version of the wider grille.

      This version is perfect and is exactly what I had in mind as to what I'd change on the front of this car. I wonder if aftermarket companies could just make that piece so it clips or screws in? It doesn't look like it'd be hard to do and would help improve the front end tremendously IMO.

      Other than that I love it. The Supra better get that manual transmission ASAP. Even then I'd be hard pressed to choose that over this car.
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      09-16-2020 06:42 PM #118
      Quote Originally Posted by Greefus View Post
      For the hand brake? 25 years of driving using it at every stop light,
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      09-16-2020 07:33 PM #119
      Not 100% sure how I feel about this yet. Gonna have to let this marinate....
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      yes, i am bored by FWD driving dynamics, and anyone who doesn't drive there cars to the limits and the beyond.

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      09-16-2020 07:35 PM #120
      Quote Originally Posted by Cousin Eddie View Post
      Not 100% sure how I feel about this yet. Gonna have to let this marinate....
      No, you have to commit to an life long opinion right now!

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      I spent my entire season budget during the off-season on go fast parts, so now I'm wishing I hadn't and had saved a little so I could buy a sim rig.

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      09-16-2020 07:52 PM #121
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      Fixed. It's an elaborate refresh, but a refresh nonetheless. This isn't a knock on it, as I think they did a great job.
      Probably the best Nissan could accomplish given the circumstances.

      Spending billions to develop a new bespoke and lightweight RWD chassis would never get the green light with bean counters. Nissan Z version 3.0 is the best we can ask for in an affordable sports car.

      I think it looks great and the TT6-whatever powertrain should be sufficient to fight the V8 muscle cars.

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      09-16-2020 09:19 PM #122
      Quote Originally Posted by 2.0T_Convert View Post
      Probably the best Nissan could accomplish given the circumstances.

      Spending billions to develop a new bespoke and lightweight RWD chassis would never get the green light with bean counters. Nissan Z version 3.0 is the best we can ask for in an affordable sports car.

      I think it looks great and the TT6-whatever powertrain should be sufficient to fight the V8 muscle cars.
      Plus bear in mind damn near nobody else has done it. The only bespoke sports car in the Z's price range is the Miata. Everyone else is on shared modular platforms exactly the same in concept as the FM, just newer.
      Last edited by CTK; 09-16-2020 at 09:23 PM.
      Quote Originally Posted by QUIRKiT View Post
      I spent my entire season budget during the off-season on go fast parts, so now I'm wishing I hadn't and had saved a little so I could buy a sim rig.

    24. 09-16-2020 09:26 PM #123
      I wonder just how much of their 1.2 Gpa Steel is going into the reworked platform and if any of the new carbon fiber production that they've recently unvieled wil make it into the vehicle?


      Last edited by enigmatic enthusiast; 09-16-2020 at 09:37 PM.

    25. 09-16-2020 09:33 PM #124
      Everyone in my private F-type owner's group is seeing some similarities.....

      But hey, at least the Nissan is at least 40k cheaper and comes in manual.




    26. 09-16-2020 09:39 PM #125
      Quote Originally Posted by mrspeedmaster View Post
      Everyone in my private F-type owner's group is seeing some similarities.....

      But hey, at least the Nissan is at least 40k cheaper and comes in manual.



      Wasn't the original 240Z said to look like the jaguars of its day?

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