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      09-22-2020 01:20 PM #176
      Quote Originally Posted by Maximum_Download View Post
      I can't really disagree with any of those points.

      I also suspect leases will move a lot of M3s. Leasing on the Quadrifoglio is unbelievably horrible.
      Have the M3's ever had much in the way of lease support? I've never seen it advertised, and the best I've ever been quoted at a dealer (these are scummy Las Vegas dealers, mind you) is like $1,200+ per month on an M3.

      The F8x M3/M4 have held their values very well. Even higher mileage early model year examples still sell for $45k+ (they were generally low-$70k's when new).

      This indicates to me that the M3 is a "buy it instead of lease it" car.
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      09-22-2020 01:21 PM #177
      Quote Originally Posted by GLI Dan View Post
      Those seats tho...are those actually going to be an option? Or just pre-production flair.
      Also curious about this. Would be amazing if they're standard (or even a $2k option).

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      09-22-2020 01:27 PM #178
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      fire all those idiots

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      09-22-2020 01:28 PM #179
      Quote Originally Posted by SchnellFowVay View Post
      Have the M3's ever had much in the way of lease support? I've never seen it advertised, and the best I've ever been quoted at a dealer (these are scummy Las Vegas dealers, mind you) is like $1,200+ per month on an M3.

      The F8x M3/M4 have held their values very well. Even higher mileage early model year examples still sell for $45k+ (they were generally low-$70k's when new).

      This indicates to me that the M3 is a "buy it instead of lease it" car.
      yea you could occasionally if you waited for the right time get a decent spec m3/4 for $800/m

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      09-22-2020 01:31 PM #180
      Quote Originally Posted by absoluteczech View Post
      fire all those idiots
      I mean the only two normally dressed people are the two on the right. The guy on the left is ok other than the sneakers, and the woman looks like she should be a CPA or something (and my wife is a CPA lol).

      Disaster from the beginning

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      09-22-2020 01:35 PM #181
      Green M3 looks great from the back.

      That's all I have to add.
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      09-22-2020 01:53 PM #182
      Quote Originally Posted by GLI Dan View Post
      Those seats tho...are those actually going to be an option? Or just pre-production flair.
      Quote Originally Posted by masa8888 View Post
      Also curious about this. Would be amazing if they're standard (or even a $2k option).
      The reliable "insiders" on Bimmerpost have said for a while that carbon fiber bucket seats will be an option. So seeing them in these leaks is a good sign I'm afraid they'll be a lot more than 2k though.

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      09-22-2020 01:54 PM #183
      Laughably bad, As in, "Hey Lexus, hold my bier!"
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      Mercedes typically makes awful manual transmissions and fantastic auto transmissions. Choosing the stick would be like saying, "Y'know, that Natalie Portman is pretty hot, but if she grew some hair on her legs and had a dong, she'd be just right."
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      09-22-2020 02:47 PM #184
      Quote Originally Posted by TheCool View Post
      The reliable "insiders" on Bimmerpost have said for a while that carbon fiber bucket seats will be an option. So seeing them in these leaks is a good sign I'm afraid they'll be a lot more than 2k though.
      May not be available over here either . . .

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      09-22-2020 02:48 PM #185
      Wow. Those are not attractive cars.
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      09-22-2020 02:50 PM #186
      Quote Originally Posted by Rob View Post
      May not be available over here either . . .
      I think they will be. People who saw the cars at Ultimate Driving Events said that the M3/4s they saw were spec'ed exactly like the ones in the leaks (green over orange M3s and yellow over blue M4s)

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      09-22-2020 02:52 PM #187
      Quote Originally Posted by SchnellFowVay View Post
      Have the M3's ever had much in the way of lease support? I've never seen it advertised, and the best I've ever been quoted at a dealer (these are scummy Las Vegas dealers, mind you) is like $1,200+ per month on an M3.

      The F8x M3/M4 have held their values very well. Even higher mileage early model year examples still sell for $45k+ (they were generally low-$70k's when new).

      This indicates to me that the M3 is a "buy it instead of lease it" car.
      Everything is relative, but yes midway through the life cycle BMW does tend to get competitive on leases. And you could have gotten a 2019 M3 for into the 8s if you shopped well.

      I would not anticipate the new M3/4 to lease well at all for the first few years, but compared to what the Giulia is "leasing" for (residuals deep into the low 40s, standard money factors) I would say anything would be a deal.

      That said, based on what I am seeing, that BMW better pleasure me while I drive it if they expect me to pick it over a Giulia Quadrifoglio.
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      09-22-2020 03:07 PM #188
      Quote Originally Posted by Cabin Pics View Post
      Green M3 looks great from the back.

      That's all I have to add.
      My wife tells me I look great from the back, too. So I’m pretty sure that’s a compliment
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      My wife wanted a SUV with a manual transmission. I suggested a Wrangler, she said no way, too masculine

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      09-22-2020 03:12 PM #190
      Quote Originally Posted by TDIBUGMAN View Post
      Having seen the M3 green over cognac car in person, the nostrils aren't nearly as big as the appear - I kinda like it.

      The M4 - just like the previous car - looks too big and overought.
      I agree. I got to preview the cars at the M track days event this past weekend. I had seen all the spy shots up until now and had decided I didn't care for the design, but would keep an open mind until I saw it in the flesh. In person my brother and I both thought it looked much better. Not amazing, but not nearly as ugly as I was planning. We both liked the m3 more than the m4 , but that could have also been due to the color of the m4. I think the Isle of Man green is interesting, but would like to see it in natural light. I'm not sure I'd order it, but it was intriguing and I'm glad a green is being offered. I laugh how so many online always say they can't stand the new generation blah blah blah and years later it is an accepted design and the whole process repeats when a new gen is revealed. I wish we had a list of folks claiming they won't buy one, but end up with one years down the road.

      The spokesman told us it will be offered in 6spd, but only in the base models. The competition trim will be 8spd ZF AT only.
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      09-22-2020 03:33 PM #191
      Quote Originally Posted by aurora85 View Post
      In person my brother and I both thought it looked much better. Not amazing, but not nearly as ugly as I was planning.
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      My wife wanted a SUV with a manual transmission. I suggested a Wrangler, she said no way, too masculine

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      09-22-2020 03:51 PM #192
      Quote Originally Posted by SchnellFowVay View Post
      Have the M3's ever had much in the way of lease support? I've never seen it advertised, and the best I've ever been quoted at a dealer (these are scummy Las Vegas dealers, mind you) is like $1,200+ per month on an M3.
      Yes, for most of the F80 production run, the lease was heavily subsidized.

      My F80 residual was 66% on a 36/10 lease, and I paid invoice price before rebates. MSRP was $80,900 and my lease payment was $709 before tax. And this was just an OK deal. By the end of the F80 production run, people were getting M3 CS (with MSRP over $100k) for less than $800 a month.

      I suspect the G80 will end up being really cheap to lease too. The look is way to polarizing and BMW will need to make it significantly cheaper to lease than C63, Giulia QF or RS5. The only way I will even contemplate the idea of driving something this ugly is if it cost less than what I paid on the F80.
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      09-22-2020 04:01 PM #193
      Hard NO.

      JFC - what are these people on? Never thought I'd long for the Bangle years.

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      09-22-2020 05:03 PM #195
      What's wild, is you basically have this guy designing an objectively ugly car and then looking at everyone on the BMW board and saying, "Trust me." with their flagship model. That's ballsy.



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      09-22-2020 05:16 PM #196
      I will say this:

      Some of these same histrionics were all over TCL when the Bangle cars were each released. Those turned out alright in the longrun.
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      09-22-2020 05:23 PM #197
      Quote Originally Posted by SchnellFowVay View Post
      I will say this:

      Some of these same histrionics were all over TCL when the Bangle cars were each released. Those turned out alright in the longrun.
      Exactly. Design is a long game. Right now any controversial styling gets buzz as this car is getting. A mix of positive and negative. Long term people buy this car no differently than any previous generation.
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      09-22-2020 05:35 PM #198
      Quote Originally Posted by SchnellFowVay View Post
      I will say this:

      Some of these same histrionics were all over TCL when the Bangle cars were each released. Those turned out alright in the longrun.
      Did they? I mean, I think they’re still ugly, they aged poorly, and BMW has been on decline since they came out (e60 5-series and e65 7-series)
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    25. 09-22-2020 05:38 PM #199
      i don't like that new big grill !! 2016 design was the best

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      09-22-2020 05:38 PM #200
      Quote Originally Posted by The_Real_Stack View Post
      Did they? I mean, I think they’re still ugly, they aged poorly, and BMW has been on decline since they came out (e60 5-series and e65 7-series)
      Define decline.

      Reverence in enthusiast circles? Maybe. But as we all know, for the most part, listening to enthusiasts is a quick way to go bankrupt.
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