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    1. 09-20-2020 02:50 AM #1
      A former chief designer and car design teacher has a design thread in the Ferrarichat.com, creative arts section of the forum.
      I pointed out a flaw in the new Ferrari Roma and after seeing the car in person his feelings were the same and referred to it as the 'Chinese flaw'.
      I had speculated if this was a result of fitting the Roma on the Ferrari California chassis and it appears that may be the case.

      Here's an article I found on this phrase.
      The main accusation that is being made to such electronics is software flaws. But this is a consequence of compromise solutions designed to reduce the price of the goods. Users are still distrustful of Chinese technology, and are eager to buy a good product at a fake price. In order not to save on quality, manufacturers pay less attention to bundling, developing and testing software. Considering that bugs are inherent in both Samsung and iPhone, this is not a purely Chinese flaw, but a world-class problem. therefore it’s worth buying Chinese equipment from leading brands if the price and equipment are satisfied.
      https://globusks.ru/en/stoit-li-poku...pat-kitaiskie/


      My comments below
      Anyone else think there's a flaw in the new Ferrari Roma's design above the badge? Is this a product of fitting the design on this particular chassis or is it meant to be like this?
      It still looks like some kind of tumor\un-natural bulge to me... like a snake that swallowed a rabbit.
      https://youtu.be/pIGEWXI-tf8?t=197



      The designers thoughts.
      ..
      yes there is a surface anomaly
      ...
      That is probably one of the most difficult parts of a vehicle to 'get right'. It's there, but 99% of the population will never see it.
      ..
      I wouldn't have let that get released from the studio.
      Will it sell one less car? No.
      Maybe that's the 'Chinese flaw'.
      ...


      Here I changed the body style....


      Another analysis, design score of 9.5/10 given.
      F430 Designer Analyzes The Ferrari Roma!
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H7Lnj8zhM8
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      09-20-2020 07:54 AM #2
      That body line, from rear 3/4 panel across the door and to the fender, is correct. The perceived valley or ‘flaw’ is due to the front fenders being accentuated with a different radius and body line that then merges with the aforementioned body line.


      Perhaps the presence of the Italian Stallion fender badge makes it more visible, but I never liked those on F cars anyway.


      This is actually one of your insightful and thought provoking threads so I will excuse the inherently problematic terminology of ‘Chinese flaw’, which I know you didn’t coin but you are now propagating. A better and less xenophobic/nationalist term would be ‘Capitalist flaw’... a cause of worldwide issues that knows no boundaries.

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      09-20-2020 11:02 AM #3
      It's the Wuhan Flaw.
      TIL Motor oil doesn't come from motors.

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      09-20-2020 11:41 AM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by Lwize View Post
      It's the Wuhan Flaw.
      Ooh Be careful with that. My Wuhanbulance thread garnered much attention and many negatives from our chinese overlords.
      Lower all the Things.

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      09-20-2020 11:49 AM #5
      Ridiculously unacceptable. I have been ranting for years about this sort of thing being more common on recent cars as short cuts are taken to the extreme in the design process. For this laziness to show up on a Ferrari is insane.
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      09-20-2020 12:11 PM #6
      There is no way that can be production, assuming that is just a prototype? That's really bad.

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      09-20-2020 12:20 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by Lwize View Post
      It's the Wuhan Flaw.
      Kung flaw

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      09-20-2020 12:57 PM #8
      The car is designed for airflow, sometimes aerodynamically effective shapes look unnatural to our human eyes that want everything to be a straight line or simple curve. The hood dropped in the same place on the Ferrari F12 but they covered it up with a floating trim piece so people wouldn't complain.

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      09-20-2020 01:04 PM #9
      what the hell is going on in here

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      09-20-2020 01:09 PM #10
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      what the hell is going on in here
      He poops in a van.
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      09-20-2020 01:23 PM #11
      What the hell does this have to do with China?

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      09-20-2020 03:14 PM #12
      Quality thread by VX standards. I never noticed that line and greatly prefer the one in the photoshop. Oof.

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    15. 09-20-2020 07:35 PM #14
      Nice find... I think its more pronounced in the Roma.

      Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDogg View Post
      What the hell does this have to do with China?
      Quote Originally Posted by DrivinAW8 View Post
      That body line, from rear 3/4 panel across the door and to the fender, is correct. The perceived valley or ‘flaw’ is due to the front fenders being accentuated with a different radius and body line that then merges with the aforementioned body line.


      Perhaps the presence of the Italian Stallion fender badge makes it more visible, but I never liked those on F cars anyway.


      This is actually one of your insightful and thought provoking threads so I will excuse the inherently problematic terminology of ‘Chinese flaw’, which I know you didn’t coin but you are now propagating. A better and less xenophobic/nationalist term would be ‘Capitalist flaw’... a cause of worldwide issues that knows no boundaries.
      To me, a prestigious car should not look like that, so I will label it as not correct.

      The Anglo aristocratic empire has agent oligarchs in various countries like China.
      They offer a top quality product and an inferior one to under cut competition in the west. The low quality one is often created by the their proxy companies in China due to its previous low cost of labour (most things in ones house are from there). So in reality products imported from China are actually sponsored by the Anglo empire but I agree it is not a good phrase to use because the western system uses racism to leverage its political ends.

      Quote Originally Posted by ADDvanced View Post
      There is no way that can be production, assuming that is just a prototype? That's really bad.
      You can try to see the reflection in other Roma car videos... once I kept seeing it, the car was ruined for me. Will have to spend my $400,000 Canadian dollar on something else

      Quote Originally Posted by AZGolf View Post
      The car is designed for airflow, sometimes aerodynamically effective shapes look unnatural to our human eyes that want everything to be a straight line or simple curve. The hood dropped in the same place on the Ferrari F12 but they covered it up with a floating trim piece so people wouldn't complain.
      Or that the front and pillar are just too bloated for that particular design... if aerodynamics is the case, I'd rather the car be .2 seconds slower then have a tumour running along the side.

      Quote Originally Posted by puma1552 View Post
      what the hell is going on in here
      Theres a flaw in the Ferrari Roma


      Quote Originally Posted by patrikman View Post
      He poops in a van.
      Not yet! still working on a bidet setup.
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      09-20-2020 09:20 PM #15
      I wonder what it looks like in red.
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      09-20-2020 09:33 PM #16
      In press photos and Ferrari marketing materials this ‘surface anomaly’ is not present as it is in the Viagraous PS posts.

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      09-20-2020 09:47 PM #17
      I’ve read the original post like 7 times and it still doesn’t make sense to me. Are we talking about body lines? Software? Wut?

    19. 09-20-2020 10:14 PM #18
      Theres an awkward surface bulge by the A pillar.
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      09-20-2020 10:39 PM #19
      I think VigorousZX is onto something here. Not the pooping in a bag or marrying you cousin - I mean the f'ed up A-pillar line.

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